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Scrapper1 Sat Feb 09, 2008 06:52pm
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Originally Posted by blindzebra
If college is the priority and you only work the minimum, why should you "expect" anything?
Because they did the work that was required to be eligible for the post-season.

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The guys and gals that made HS their priority deserve those post-season games...
And nobody's saying that they shouldn't work the post-season. I don't understand why that generates friction. Everybody who meets the state's requirements for eligibility should get consideration for post-season games. Right? I mean, how can anybody argue against that? :confused:

Jurassic Referee Sat Feb 09, 2008 07:44pm
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
Why do I get the feeling that Joey Crawford just pulled a "Get In. Get Done. Get Out." on all of us?
Joey is a troll. And not a very good one either.

Mark Padgett use to pull this over on McGriffs every now and then just for giggles.

JoeyCrawford Sat Feb 09, 2008 09:30pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Joey is a troll. And not a very good one either.

Mark Padgett use to pull this over on McGriffs every now and then just for giggles.
Thats comical.

26 Year Gap Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:10pm
Like this?

http://www.jeffhaynie.com/Fant/BadTroll_thumb.jpg

TRef21 Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:17pm
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Originally Posted by Mwanr1
I completely agree with Jurassic that doing JC ball is not for the money. And in every case, every official is different... You really can't generalize.

From one HS association, I have refs who think I don't deserve to be there because I'm relatively young to officiating (experience wise). From another association, I have refs who think highly of me now because I now work at the JUCO level.

I want to share one of my experiences with you guys....

I did a JC game this season that took me about 8+ hours and got paid only $115. Take $35 dollars our of the $115 for gas because round trip from work to gym and back home is about 260 miles. I make about $120 dollars doing two local varsity games that'll take me 3 hour at most and 5 minute of travel time.

So tip off is 6pm on a Friday night. Our JC association requires us to get there at least 1 hour before tip off. I assumed the drive will take about 2 hours without traffic. On Friday afternoon, you never know what the roads will be like. I left work at about 2:00 pm to give myself ample of time for travel. The drive took just about 3 hours. I got there right around 5:00. Game ended at about 7:45pm. After our post-game talk and shower, I left the gym at about 8:30PM. Got home at 10:15ish

The gym had about 30 fans and that was it. It was cold and empty. But JC college games will always take precedence over any hs games - despite of an 8+ hour trip.
Nice Post. I'm too in the same boat as you. ON my 3rd season of D3 and JC. Some hate you others still like you in the association. Our age is one thing because were young and the other is we have been given the opportunity some others who are older than us have tried hard to get to, but didnt. I'm the same way Marco. You know I will drive anywhere to work a college game and give back the h.s. game. Our assignor doesnt mind. He always reminds us for those who work College and need to give back an h.s. game he doesnt have a problem as long as we give him time in advance. Damn Marco 260 miles!!! I went 320 last year!!! LOL!!!

Back In The Saddle Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Because they did the work that was required to be eligible for the post-season.
Exactly. There are minimum requirements established to be eligible for considersation. If you meet the requirements, you should "expect" to be given consideration. Along with every other person who met the requirements.

From that pool, one would also reasonably expect that those officials who can best do the job will be selected. Funny enough, often that means those officials who have excelled at even higher levels will be chosen.

You can argue all day long about whether those officials work higher levels because they're better, or whether they got better by working higher levels. You can even posit that some are just lucky schmucks who really don't even deserve good HS varsity games. C'est la vie.

TRef21 Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
That depends on where you live. Not everyone travels that far or has to. You work in certain areas around here and you hardly have an hour drive. And if it is an hour drive it is not because of mileage.

And the last thing I am ever going to do is be in the bar after most games.

This is all about person preference and what you enjoy and why you officiate. I can tell you I do not do this for the money and could care less what I make when I officiate any game. If money was the gauge of my officiating I would not travel very far for the high school games I work.

I will say this, most college officials are better trained and better officials because they learn things that many HS officials do not get exposed to. That is not a basketball thing that is a sports officiating thing. There are things I mostly do not have to worry about when I have a college official working with me in any sport. True college officials usually attend more camps and more training before they ever step onto any floor or field. High School Officials tend to be very technical. High School Officials also tend to worry about exactly what the book says when it comes to mechanics and rules and do not think outside the box or cannot adjust to a newer concept. Officiating changes every year and if the book does not change I get into more debates about what that book says rather than what it takes to officiate the game we have in front of us.

And this is just my opinion. This would not apply to everyone.

Peace

I intend to agree with you JRutledge. Working both h.s. and college, I agree before I I got hired I was a very technical h.s. official. By the book, mechanics, black and white on the rules. When I got hired i started to pull away. Not saying we are no it all's, but some of us at the college level have a little more info than h.s. guys. Being a rule know it all can get you in trouble if you don't how and when to apply the rule. Preventive officiating in h.s. game can save the game when it comes time to be technical.

BktBallRef Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:47am
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Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford
I have seen this for about 2 years now and am so glad I got out of H.S. basketball.

Please tell me this happens elsewhere???
I like college officials.

I don't like newbies who take a pro official's name as his user name. :)

icallfouls Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:55am
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Joey is a troll. And not a very good one either.

Mark Padgett use to pull this over on McGriffs every now and then just for giggles.
No Hoey (or whatever) may be on to something.

I am a college official, and I am a high school official. I really dislike myself sometimes. :p

tomegun Sun Feb 10, 2008 01:34am
I'm also a college official and a high school official. I use my experience in college camps and games to make my high school games better. I think resentment comes from how information is relayed and accepted. Some college officials do not do a good job of passing along information without seemingly talking down to high school officials and many high school officials can't accept information when it is given.
Personally, I don't try to pass on as much information as I used to because the high school officials I come in contact with don't have the dedication to accept it. For them, it is all about the check. Many officials on this board are dedicated and still would rather do high school only so this isn't a good group to use when guaging this.

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2008 03:07am
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Originally Posted by tomegun
Scrapper1, I don't know what is wrong with BZ today, but he is refusing to see anything other than his own opinion.

I think there are some valid points in this thread, but I don't think it is possible to say one way or the other that one group dislikes the other.

Rut, you know I've lived in various locations and I find your comments surprising. I talked with one of my partners (he currently works for the future NCAA supervisor and lives in Miss.) on Monday and another partner (he used to live in the St. Louis area) on Thursday about this - not the first times this discussion has come up. The perception by many, with some actual examples, is the Midwest is the easiest place to break into D1 in the country. Your post paints an opposite picture. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do know guys who've lived in that region and one who moved there and advanced quickly.
First of all my comments were not about the entire Midwest. I cannot speak for the entire Midwest. Conference assignments are made based on everything from where you live to where the conference is located. And in order to work D1 in where I live, it is hard to get to that level if you are not working D2 and D3. And when the future NCAA Supervisor says, "I do not need any Chicago guys (for his D2 conference) but if you live in Kansas City, Missouri, he can use that is not true across all parts of the Midwest. Also I live in the Chicago area so I am not judged by everyone in the Midwest, I am judged by other officials in this area.

Peace

tomegun Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
First of all my comments were not about the entire Midwest. I cannot speak for the entire Midwest. Conference assignments are made based on everything from where you live to where the conference is located. And in order to work D1 in where I live, it is hard to get to that level if you are not working D2 and D3. And when the future NCAA Supervisor says, "I do not need any Chicago guys (for his D2 conference) but if you live in Kansas City, Missouri, he can use that is not true across all parts of the Midwest. Also I live in the Chicago area so I am not judged by everyone in the Midwest, I am judged by other officials in this area.

Peace
So your comments were about the Chicago area - fair enough.

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2008 01:26pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
So your comments were about the Chicago area - fair enough.
I cannot speak about any other area I do not live. And with supervisors completely changing around here, I seriously doubt it is going to be "easy" to get hired. There might be more games around here to work, but not an easy road by any stretch of the imagination.

Peace

JoeyCrawford Sun Feb 10, 2008 03:35pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I like college officials.

I don't like newbies who take a pro official's name as his user name. :)

1. You don't know me.
2. I never said one word to you so.
3. I could give a rats behind if you don't like me.

:)

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 10, 2008 04:42pm
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Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford
Thats comical.
Naw, it's not really that funny.

That's what we call people that make nonsensical statements with no other intent than stirring up sh!t. Your blanket statement denigrating high school officials that started this thread is a good example of that.

Until you prove otherwise, by maybe adding something positive to this forum in the way of rules, mechanics, officiating philosophy, etc, you will be regarded as nothing but a troll.

Joey Crawford was the wrong name to pick as a <i>nom de net</i>, my friend. Not very apt, at all.


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