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I don't want to piss off the people that have bailed my azz out all season long right up to the playoffs. If they've done a good job for me, I <b>owe</b> them. And I don't want to lose them. If they can do the job.... maybe not quite as well as the D1 guy but still do the job.... then I'll use 'em. |
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Gee I'll bet that if you had a guy that worked 8 lower level college games and a full HS schedule get a college post season assignment over a guy that worked a full lower level college schedule that college guy would be busting a vein screaming bloody murder about it.
That is why there is friction, college officials just assume they are better officials and in many cases it just isn't true. In a lot of cases they are young and have "the look" the assignor was looking for and they figured they could mold them into a good ref. But for every inexperienced "look" ref working college there are dozens of experienced HS officials that can call a better game. |
I don't think that one can make the blanket statement that officials that only officiate high school basketball dislike college officials.
Officials of amateur contests can be divided into the following categories: 1) Officials that only officiate at the high school level and below. 2) Officials that officiate a mixed schedule of high school and college. 3) Officials that only officiate at the college level. The percentage of H.S. and college games for a Group #2 official can vary from official to official. It has been my experience that there is a small group of officials in both Groups #2 and #3, that think that they walk on water. These schmucks can give the rest of the members in those two groups a bad name. I have also found that there is a small group of officials on Group #1 that resent officials who are in Groups #2 and #3 because they think that they should be officiating at the college level and they are not. These are the officials that do not know the rules or casebook plays, their mechanics are terrible and resent officials (Group #1, #2, and #3) who do know the rules and apply them correctly and use correct mechanics. These officials will always be with us and there is not much one can do about it. MTD, Sr. |
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My game check tonight was $100 and I worked a 7:30PM game that ended at 8:42PM and we were showered and in the car before 9PM. In the bar before 9:40PM. Driving 8 hours? No thanks. |
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And the last thing I am ever going to do is be in the bar after most games. This is all about person preference and what you enjoy and why you officiate. I can tell you I do not do this for the money and could care less what I make when I officiate any game. If money was the gauge of my officiating I would not travel very far for the high school games I work. I will say this, most college officials are better trained and better officials because they learn things that many HS officials do not get exposed to. That is not a basketball thing that is a sports officiating thing. There are things I mostly do not have to worry about when I have a college official working with me in any sport. True college officials usually attend more camps and more training before they ever step onto any floor or field. High School Officials tend to be very technical. High School Officials also tend to worry about exactly what the book says when it comes to mechanics and rules and do not think outside the box or cannot adjust to a newer concept. Officiating changes every year and if the book does not change I get into more debates about what that book says rather than what it takes to officiate the game we have in front of us. And this is just my opinion. This would not apply to everyone. Peace |
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And that's why the opening post of this thread was just complete doo-doo from the git-go imo. The statement made in the OP was inherently wrong. It's impossible to substantiate or prove- one way or another. You can say that Jeff Rutledge is this and Jurassic Referee is that, but you can't say that anybody else is exactly like Jeff Rutledge or Jurassic Referee(which is probably a boon to mankind in itself:) ). Jmo. |
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JMO, but I think your comments show the resentment that I spoke about in my first post in this thread. |
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I think you are generalizing. When I was in my first 5 years of officiating, there were some officials who worked higher levels that I really enjoyed. They were helpful and gracious. They mentored the less experienced officials and helped raise the talent level of our group. There were also some other guys who gave the impression that we were lucky to be able to be in their presence. They did not give anything back to our group. Now that I do a little college ball, I would like to think that I am one who gives back to our high school group and helps raise our talent level. We have guys who have given back HS games because they picked up a college game. That is an accepted practice around here. On the flip side, I gave back my last CC game of the year (with my assignor's blessing) so that I could go to one of our HS state tournaments this year. So to sum up all my babbling, it depends on the individual. |
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Of course officials are individuals, but most officials that work any college or try to work college have usually attended more camps and trainings. Quote:
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I gave you a very possible scenario in which a mostly-HS official could get a college playoff game over a completely-college official, which shows that your original comments are not valid. How does that rest your case? It seems to me that you are so determined to hold your position on this issue that you can't even discuss other possibilities. Again, JMO, and I mean no offense, but that's how it seems to me. |
Scrapper1, I don't know what is wrong with BZ today, but he is refusing to see anything other than his own opinion.
I think there are some valid points in this thread, but I don't think it is possible to say one way or the other that one group dislikes the other. Rut, you know I've lived in various locations and I find your comments surprising. I talked with one of my partners (he currently works for the future NCAA supervisor and lives in Miss.) on Monday and another partner (he used to live in the St. Louis area) on Thursday about this - not the first times this discussion has come up. The perception by many, with some actual examples, is the Midwest is the easiest place to break into D1 in the country. Your post paints an opposite picture. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do know guys who've lived in that region and one who moved there and advanced quickly. |
Why do I get the feeling that Joey Crawford just pulled a "Get In. Get Done. Get Out." on all of us?
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