Inadvertent Whistle Question

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If you have an IW during a try and the try is successful, then POI is the made basket and you give the other team the ball on the endline.

Let's say I commit the cardinal sin of anticipating contact. I blow my whistle and signal for a foul but I know for a fact it was a clean block. If I have the guts to claim IW, who gets the ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Let's say I commit the cardinal sin of anticipating contact. I blow my whistle and signal for a foul but I know for a fact it was a clean block. If I have the guts to claim IW, who gets the ball?

When in doubt, it's usually a good idea to just follow the rules. The play is covered under rule 4-36.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

When in doubt, it's usually a good idea to just follow the rules. The play is covered under rule 4-36.

JR............A1 with ball in frontcourt, B coach requests time out, official blows whistle and realizes error. With stoppage of play, can B's request now be granted? Can subs come in? We were discussing this and can't find rule reference.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by fullor30

JR............A1 with ball in frontcourt, B coach requests time out, official blows whistle and realizes error. With stoppage of play, can B's request now be granted? Can subs come in? We were discussing this and can't find rule reference.

Yes, yes. Grant the timeout (a timeout can be granted during any dead ball so long as it isn't prohibited by rule). You screwed up, but now he gets the TO he wanted.

And then, of course, subs can come in.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Yes, yes. Grant the timeout (a timeout can be granted during any dead ball so long as it isn't prohibited by rule). You screwed up, but now he gets the TO he wanted.

And then, of course, subs can come in.

Is there a rule reference or case book play on this one?

Logically, I can't justify rewarding B coach with a timeout. That said, it was officials goof.

Couldn't a coach try and slip that in from time to time on defense, knowing you may get a break on an inadvertant whistle?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Is their a rule reference or case book play on this one?

Logically, I can't justify rewarding B coach with a timeout. That said, it was officials goof.

Couldn't a coach try and slip that in from time to time on defense, knowing you may get a break on an inadvertant whistle?

I don't have my books with me, but I believe there is a specific case play. Bottom line is, the ball is dead once you blow the whistle. Even if you want to call it an inadvertent whistle because you shouldn't have granted the TO, now that the ball is dead, he can have his TO and there is no rule that says otherwise.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I don't have my books with me, but I believe there is a specific case play. Bottom line is, the ball is dead once you blow the whistle. Even if you want to call it an inadvertent whistle because you shouldn't have granted the TO, now that the ball is dead, he can have his TO and there is no rule that says otherwise.

Yes, for nfhs. YMMV under ncaa rules though so be careful

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

JR............A1 with ball in frontcourt, B coach requests time out, official blows whistle and realizes error. With stoppage of play, can B's request now be granted? Can subs come in?

Yes and yes.

Rule 5-8-3(b) says that you grant a TO when the ball is dead. It doesn't matter how the ball became dead. The only time that you can't grant a TO after the ball has become live to start the game is when the ball is dead is during the replacment of a disqualified/injured/ordered out of the game player. And you can still grant a TO after the sub comes in on that dead ball too.

After you grant the TO, rule 3-3-1(a) gives you the parameters for allowing substitution during that TO.....allowed prior to the warning signal.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes and yes.

Rule 5-8-3(b) says that you grant a TO when the ball is dead. It doesn't matter how the ball became dead. The only time that you can't grant a TO after the ball has become live to start the game is when the ball is dead is during the replacment of a disqualified/injured/ordered out of the game player. And you can still grant a TO after the sub comes in on that dead ball too.

After you grant the TO, rule 3-3-1(a) gives you the parameters for allowing substitution during that TO.....allowed prior to the warning signal.

Thanks.....The R on our crew had it right, but we were not sure.