Congrats!!!

[Camron Rust]

Congrats to icallfouls!!!!

He was just selected to represent our association in the Oregon 5A/6A Boys State Tournament. While not his first tournament, it is his first at this level.

A big, whopping, way-to-go!!!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Congrats to icallfouls!!!!

He was just selected to represent our association in the Oregon 5A/6A Boys State Tournament. While not his first tournament, it is his first at this level.

A big, whopping, way-to-go!!!

Wa-hoo!! Way to go, Jim! You deserve it without any question!

[JRutledge]

Congrats to icallfouls for your assignment.

Camron, could you clarify what that assignment means. Does that mean he will be working the State Championship game or does that mean he is working a level close to the State Championship game?

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Congrats to icallfouls for your assignment.

Camron, could you clarify what that assignment means. Does that mean he will be working the State Championship game or does that mean he is working a level close to the State Championship game?

Peace

In Oregon the state quarter-finals, semi-finals, and finals are all played over a weekend. 5A and 6A levels are played in the same gyms on the same weekend. The associations each choose a few refs to go to the tournament. Every ref that's chosen works one game every day. Of the 12 or so that work the tournament, 2 will work the 5A championship, and 2 the 6A. If I were to do the choosing, icallfouls (Jim) would definitely get to do whichever one he wants.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Congrats to icallfouls for your assignment.

Camron, could you clarify what that assignment means. Does that mean he will be working the State Championship game or does that mean he is working a level close to the State Championship game?

Peace

Our process selects 19 official to travel to the various final tournament sites....where 8 teams in each classification (6A-largest, 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, 1A-smallest) play a single elimination bracket (plus consolation games) for the state championship. Unless I'm mistaken, there are 12 officials at each tournament. Our allotment, based on the proportion of the schools we serve in each classification gives us 6, 6, 1, 2, 2, and 2 in each tournament.

As for Jim's tourney, the 5A and 6A boys play seperate brackets the same site. So, the 6 we send, along with the other 6 from the rest of the state, work the quarterfinals, semi-finals, and finals for both brackets. There are only 4 games the first day so only 8 work on Wednesday, but there are 6 games on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, so all 12 work those days....everyone gets either 3 or 4 games. The first couple of days of games (quarterfinals and some consolation games) are predetermined but the semis/finals assignments are determined at the tourney.

[tomegun]

Does Oregon use two-man for state too?

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

In Oregon the state quarter-finals, semi-finals, and finals are all played over a weekend. 5A and 6A levels are played in the same gyms on the same weekend. The associations each choose a few refs to go to the tournament. Every ref that's chosen works one game every day. Of the 12 or so that work the tournament, 2 will work the 5A championship, and 2 the 6A. If I were to do the choosing, icallfouls (Jim) would definitely get to do whichever one he wants.

Two person? No three person crews even for the State Championship? What's the reason? Is it budgets? I heard from a freind that moved to Arizona that the state tried 3 person but it was a disaster and they reverted back to two person crews. Did your state have a similar experience?

[TimTaylor]

Congrats Jim! Way to go!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Two person? No three person crews even for the State Championship? What's the reason? Is it budgets? I heard from a freind that moved to Arizona that the state tried 3 person but it was a disaster and they reverted back to two person crews. Did your state have a similar experience?

Yep, 2 person...even at State. I think the reason is that they don't want officials working a new system at the tourney....the coverage will be better with officials working what they know. Some do work college and know 3 person, but not all.

[JRutledge]

Cam and Juulie,

Thanks for the clarification. Your system sounds a lot like our system except we work 3 Person for all of our games and we do not call that level the State Tournament, we call it the State Finals. I just wanted to make sure he was working a higher level than I first thought.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Icallfouls is doing State??? What idiot made that decision? Good grief...

Just kidding - Jim knows that something like this can't occur without catching some crap from his buddies.

Way to go Jim!! Kinda makes up for some of the other "stuff" this season, doesn't it!

[truerookie]

Congrats!! Enjoy

[Smitty]

Camron - congrats to you as well for being on the cusp of getting a state assignment as well. I noticed you were the next one on the list. What a difference a vote makes, eh?

I always enjoy looking at the table of results and seeing who ended up where. I was quite surprised to see my namesake as high on the list as he was. I just don't get it, but maybe he's better than I give him credit for.

Anyway...well done for being so high on the list!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Camron - congrats to you as well for being on the cusp of getting a state assignment as well. I noticed you were the next one on the list. What a difference a vote makes, eh?

There were 7 of us clustered tightly...less than 2 school votes apart....5 made it, 2 didn't. (association votes and school votes are weighted differently...giving fractional total votes.) With 1 more school vote, I would have moved up 3 spots or 1 more offiical vote, I'd be up 2 spots. Either would have had me in.

Here is how it looked...14th through 20th....school vote = 1, officials vote = 0.435. I'm the one in red.

31.765

31.329

30.847

30.282

29.976

29.894

29.800

Originally Posted by Smitty

I always enjoy looking at the table of results and seeing who ended up where. I was quite surprised to see my namesake as high on the list as he was. I just don't get it, but maybe he's better than I give him credit for.

True...I've seen officials that I've thought were fairly poor officials only to see them a year or two later and be impressed. Officals (hopefully most) improve...some more than others. Officials all have an occassional bad game. If you saw me 10 years ago, you'd have laughed if someone mentioned I'd ever be near a varsity game much less a tourney. I had a lot to learn and its taken me a while but I get better every year....and will keep pushing to improve.

[rockyroad]

So the school (read as Coach) vote is worth more than twice as much as your peer votes or evaluation? Why????