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Stat-Man Mon Feb 04, 2008 01:03am
I got to use the line today
 
CYO Varsity (7th and 8th) Boys.

We have two quick held balls in succession and the visting coach is convinced I somehow shortchanged his team from a possession.

I told him he could have two of the next three, and without missing a beat, the VHC replied "that works."

I discretely told my timer "of course he was going to get 2 of the next 3 anyways." :D

Back In The Saddle Mon Feb 04, 2008 01:18am
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Originally Posted by rainmaker
The BS detector is screaming right about now. Back when you were keeping a Hickory Farms beef stick in your pocket, there were no female coaches, players refs or anyone else. The few moms who came to your games back then weren't drooling, they were throwing up!
No no. He's right. I tried this out at a freshman tournament over the weekend. Mothers in the stands were becoming dehydrated, they were drooling so heavily. It seems that women just really like Hickory Farms. ;)

rainmaker Mon Feb 04, 2008 01:27am
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
No no. He's right. I tried this out at a freshman tournament over the weekend. Mothers in the stands were becoming dehydrated, they were drooling so heavily. It seems that women just really like Hickory Farms. ;)
ROFL!!

DonInKansas Mon Feb 04, 2008 02:03am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
My partner and I both have Blue ball.
How does this apply to the sitch any? Sounds like you may have to add something to your pregame.....:D

jdw3018 Mon Feb 04, 2008 09:20am
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Originally Posted by just another ref
No matter where the "official" arrow is or isn't, how does an official overrule the scorer on which way the arrow should be pointed. 2-11-7: The scorer shall record the jump balls......and be responsible for the possession arrow.
I don't know "how", but my crew did it last week in a BV game. We knew the last held ball had gone to white, but table had white ball to start 2nd quarter. Both books agreed white. But we knew it was red ball.

The table protested, but we were certain. We figured out later that they mistook an OOB violation for a held ball at the end of the 1st quarter.

I don't know if it's "legal" to overturn the book in this situation, but we did it.

Back In The Saddle Mon Feb 04, 2008 09:34am
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Originally Posted by jdw3018
I don't know "how", but my crew did it last week in a BV game. We knew the last held ball had gone to white, but table had white ball to start 2nd quarter. Both books agreed white. But we knew it was red ball.

The table protested, but we were certain. We figured out later that they mistook an OOB violation for a held ball at the end of the 1st quarter.

I don't know if it's "legal" to overturn the book in this situation, but we did it.
Sounds to me like a bookkeeping error, and those can be remedied any time up until the final score is approved.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 04, 2008 08:17pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Yeah, it was me. If the coach complains about getting the next two out of three, I then tell him he can have the next three out of five.

In fact, I used this is a rec game this morning.
I always thought that it came from Dave. Am I mistaken?

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 04, 2008 08:35pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
I always thought that it came from Dave. Am I mistaken?
Haven't you figured it out yet after all these years? I'm Dave.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 04, 2008 08:39pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Haven't you figured it out yet after all these years? I'm Dave.
So that's why you take those meds! ;)

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 04, 2008 08:40pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
So that's why you take those meds! ;)
No. There's other reasons. Let's not get into that. :rolleyes:

Stat-Man Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Sounds to me like a bookkeeping error, and those can be remedied any time up until the final score is approved.
I know what you mean, but an AP arrow error can only be corrected until the ball is awarded for another AP throw in, no?

If the game was in the 4th quarter and it was discovered that team A should have had an AP throw in to start the 3rd quarter, but team B got the throw-in, that cannot be corrected.

Back In The Saddle Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by Stat-Man
I know what you mean, but an AP arrow error can only be corrected until the ball is awarded for another AP throw in, no?

If the game was in the 4th quarter and it was discovered that team A should have had an AP throw in to start the 3rd quarter, but team B got the throw-in, that cannot be corrected.
You are correct, the window of opportunity to correct the arrow is more limited than the final score being approved. It would be until the AP throw-in is touched on the court, I believe. But even with that correction, it's a bookkeeping error and can be corrected within the appropriate window of opportunity.


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