How many flops?

[blindzebra]

It is VERY COMMON for the flopper to cause contact with flailing arms and legs extended outside their normal frame...can you even have a normal frame while on the floor?

So to simply say no contact no foul is way outside the reality of the situation.

A better way to see it is some contact, that would not have happened without the flop, that while minimal was caused by a questionable act and is a safety issue for the players in the area and the flopper too.