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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 01:42pm
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Whenever my wife comments that I work a lot of games, I remind her of the tax deduction every year. I'm always in the negative because of the mileage.
( , that could be a selling point to get more officials.)

If you do make a profit, you also need to pay the Self Employment Tax.

Mileage to/from meetings, clinics, games. Percentage of the cel phone bill and internet. Video tapes/dvds, Datebook, Ref magazine/NASO, Dues and fees, Tolls, Gear. (I have an office too.)

It adds up. Have receipts.

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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 05:25pm
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Kramer is the expert on write-offs. He is often quoted here.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 09:44pm
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Kramer is the expert on write-offs. He is often quoted here.
What does this guy know about taxes?
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 01:38pm
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What does this guy know about taxes?
Where did I say anything about taxes?
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 10:56pm
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Here is a short list of deductions for officiating for this year's Schedule C:

Lines 1, 3, 5, and 7: These lines all should be the same; the total amount of game fees for the year.


Now for the deductions:

Line 9: Automobile expenses including: mileage, parking, and toll road fees.

Line 15: Insurance: liability, game fee loss protection, and suplemental health insurance that is specific for officiating injuries only.

Line 16b: Interest: If you are making payments on the automobile you use for officiating, you can pro-rate the amount of interest that you paid for the year on the car loan.

Line 17: Legal and professional services: Lawyers' fees, accountant fees, any out of pocket medical expenses that are related to your officiating that is not covered by your primary health care insurance or your supplimental medical insurance (for sports officiating only).

Line 20a: Automobile rental.

Line 21: Repairs and maintenance.

Line 22: Supplies.

note: For Lines 21 and 22, one should check the Schedule C instructions.

Lines 24a and 24b: These lines are self-explainatory. Check with the Schedule C instructions.

Line 27 and 48:

membership dues (officials' associations)
registrations fees (StateHSAA, FIBA, ASA, USSSA, etc.)
assingnors fees
uniforms
laundry/drycleaning
postage
education
publications


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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 02:01am
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I've used H&R Block software for the past couple of years to complete my Schedule C. I've found that their explanations regarding what can/can't be deducted to be fairly straight forward and easy to follow. When all is said and done I paid about $14 in self employment tax.

I didn't receive a single 1099 last year, but I reported ALL my referee income. In turn I took all the credits/deductions that were allowed and still came out okay. It's much better to just report it properly and take the deductions than to not report the income (and since you didn't report the income you can't claim the deductions) and risk and audit.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 02:50pm
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I've used H&R Block software for the past couple of years to complete my Schedule C. I've found that their explanations regarding what can/can't be deducted to be fairly straight forward and easy to follow. When all is said and done I paid about $14 in self employment tax.

I didn't receive a single 1099 last year, but I reported ALL my referee income. In turn I took all the credits/deductions that were allowed and still came out okay. It's much better to just report it properly and take the deductions than to not report the income (and since you didn't report the income you can't claim the deductions) and risk and audit.
I will be doing this as well... Most of my counterparts give me this look like "are you crazy", but I am the epitomy of murphys law so... I'll report, but I will also claim my office space at home, and my laptop that I bought this year.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 07:46pm
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Whenever my wife comments that I work a lot of games, I remind her of the tax deduction every year. I'm always in the negative because of the mileage.
( , that could be a selling point to get more officials.)

If you do make a profit, you also need to pay the Self Employment Tax.

Mileage to/from meetings, clinics, games. Percentage of the cel phone bill and internet. Video tapes/dvds, Datebook, Ref magazine/NASO, Dues and fees, Tolls, Gear. (I have an office too.)

It adds up. Have receipts.

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Always in the negative because of the mileage? Are you kidding me? I don't see how this is possible.

As a CPA, I won't give any specific tax advice here, but what I will say is, be very careful about which advice from this board you follow. Some of it is good. Some of it is not so good. Just make sure that it will pass scrutiny in the event of an audit. The best way to be sure of that is to pay someone lots and lots of money to prepare your taxes for you. Mine were efiled last weekend, and I should be getting my nice fat check from Uncle Sam direct deposited next week.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 08:51am
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Always in the negative because of the mileage? Are you kidding me? I don't see how this is possible.
I agree, and I think (but I am not a tax expert, nor did I stay in a HolidayInn Express last night) that you need to occasionally (something along the order of 1 in three years) declare a profit or the IRS might / will decide that this is a hobby and not a business.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 11:09am
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I agree, and I think (but I am not a tax expert, nor did I stay in a HolidayInn Express last night) that you need to occasionally (something along the order of 1 in three years) declare a profit or the IRS might / will decide that this is a hobby and not a business.
Bob:

I think the correct ruling is that a Schedule C business must show a profit two out of the last five years. BUT, that is not how the IRS applies the rule. Back in 1996, at the ABL officiating tryout camp, I officiated with an IRS Agent who worked in the IRS's Headquarters in Washington, D.C. He told me that the IRS looks at the type of buiness and the amount of gross income is being generated.

As example, a person is a stamp collector and travels to stamp shows every weekend to attend stamp shows. The stamp collector trades and sell stamps at these shows. Every year the stamp collector shows gross income between $300 and $500, but shows a taxable loss every ear in excess of ten times his gross income. That would bring out the red flags. The IRS would consider this a hobby and not a business.

Officiating of amatuer sports is a travel intensive buiness and the IRS understands that. I have had a few years when I have had a taxable profit, but more often that not I have a taxable loss and I have been filing Schedule C's for over 25 years.

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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 01:51pm
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Bob:

I think the correct ruling is that a Schedule C business must show a profit two out of the last five years. BUT, that is not how the IRS applies the rule. Back in 1996, at the ABL officiating tryout camp, I officiated with an IRS Agent who worked in the IRS's Headquarters in Washington, D.C. He told me that the IRS looks at the type of buiness and the amount of gross income is being generated.

As example, a person is a stamp collector and travels to stamp shows every weekend to attend stamp shows. The stamp collector trades and sell stamps at these shows. Every year the stamp collector shows gross income between $300 and $500, but shows a taxable loss every ear in excess of ten times his gross income. That would bring out the red flags. The IRS would consider this a hobby and not a business.

Officiating of amatuer sports is a travel intensive buiness and the IRS understands that. I have had a few years when I have had a taxable profit, but more often that not I have a taxable loss and I have been filing Schedule C's for over 25 years.

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Ya know, I'm sorry, but if your travel is eating up all of your game fees, something is wrong with this picture. I mean, I know none of us are in this to get rich, especially if we're just doing high school levels and below. But realistically, you should be making more money per game, at least most of the time, than it costs you to get there and home.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 02:45pm
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Ya know, I'm sorry, but if your travel is eating up all of your game fees, something is wrong with this picture. I mean, I know none of us are in this to get rich, especially if we're just doing high school levels and below. But realistically, you should be making more money per game, at least most of the time, than it costs you to get there and home.

W&S:

Its called the mileage deduction. When I travel to either the IAABO Spring or Fall meetings I drive there from my home, those miles count as a deduction because I am attending a business related funcition. When I go to Florida every summer for AAU and YBOA national tournaments I drive from my home in Ohio to the Florida, those miles count as a deduction. Everytime you attend a rules meeting given by your local association or StateHSAA, the miles you drive to attend those meetings count toward your mileage deduction. If you officiate scrimmage games at the beginning of the season, even if you are not compensated for officiating, the miles traveled for officiating the scrimmage games are deductable.

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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 03:12pm
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W&S:

Its called the mileage deduction. When I travel to either the IAABO Spring or Fall meetings I drive there from my home, those miles count as a deduction because I am attending a business related funcition. When I go to Florida every summer for AAU and YBOA national tournaments I drive from my home in Ohio to the Florida, those miles count as a deduction. Everytime you attend a rules meeting given by your local association or StateHSAA, the miles you drive to attend those meetings count toward your mileage deduction. If you officiate scrimmage games at the beginning of the season, even if you are not compensated for officiating, the miles traveled for officiating the scrimmage games are deductable.

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Mr. Denucci, as a CPA and someone who spent half of my professional career preparing taxes, I think I understand the mileage deduction as well as anyone, and the reasons you state for taking the deduction all seem to be legitimate.

While I understand the travel to the meetings is always going to be a cost you have to bear, I can't help but asked if you are given some kind of reimbursement for travelling to those tournies in Florida. It just doesn't seem to make good business sense to me.
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