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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 02:12pm
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I hadn't seen this play -- just found it on the interwebs and saw the real-time and slomo versions.

My first instinct in real-time is that it is a block, not a goaltend. The timing of it seems like it is a block - that is, the block comes fairly quickly after the shot. When you have goaltending, there is always a delay.

Also, I look at the defender's position relative to the basket and where the shot was taken. If the defender is more than halfway towards the basket, it is probably a goaltend (as the ball will reach it's apex halfway to the basket).

The camera angle from the below the basket - the slomo version - is horrible. Very difficult to tell and it is *CLOSE*.

On balance, I'd say it is a block based on the regular speed video shot from mid-court -- which is a better angle. Very close though! Tough call!
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 02:33pm
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Yea I was pissed that Gottleib came right out and say it was a goaltend 100%, there was no question in his mind. But then again its pretty comfy to call a game wearing a suit drinking FIJI water while someone does your hair. He even went to the length of telling the other analyst he was wrong when he mentioned there had to be some doubt.

IMO it was the right call. You can't make something up. This is what I've been hearing from people (I'm fairly new, trying to decide was is worthy to listen to, and whats BS): its worse to call something that didn't happen, than to not call something that did.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 02:54pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBegTM-uCY

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OTBeg... imagine the spread was 2 and the losing coach was begging for overtime after his claim of GT.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 04:58pm
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Here's an interesting situation along the lines of what happened in the G-WV game.
Say the lay-up is released, and then the buzzer sounds, and then the Hoyas player tips the ball legally (before the apex).
What is the call if the ball then goes in through the bucket?
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2008, 05:08pm
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If you watched the game live and saw it at regular speed it looked like a block. Only after the highlight did it look closer to a goaltend. Close play either way .
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2008, 07:09am
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Here's an interesting situation along the lines of what happened in the G-WV game.
Say the lay-up is released, and then the buzzer sounds, and then the Hoyas player tips the ball legally (before the apex).
What is the call if the ball then goes in through the bucket?
NFHS rule: 6-7

NOTE: If A1's try or tap is legally touched in flight, the goal counts if made, if the horn sounds before or after the legal touching. If the touching is interference or goaltending by A, no points are scored. If B violates, the points are awarded – either two or three depending on whether it was a two or three-point try or tap.
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