Way Too Many "Players" Warming Up

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Junker

I'd ignore them unless they dunk. If they do, they are in uniform (I assume) so I drop the T on the dunk. Why go looking for problems even before the tip? Address the problem when it occurs.

Umm...Game Management!!!(Trying to prevent this particular problem) This hypothetical situation is why you don't want anybody but the team that is playing the game warming up.

In the OP the R was given the information from the HC. He then did the right thing, IMO, by having the varsity squad vacate the floor.

If you don't know or can't tell then that is one thing but if you know then, IMO, we should take care of it.

[truerookie]

I don't know if there was an interpertation put out a year or two ago. Where in between halves Varsity players where allowed on the court to warming up. Or, is it just the state I'm in where game management was informed not to allow anyone to warm up if they were not apart of the team ACTUALLY playing the game currently.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Umm...Game Management!!!(Trying to prevent this particular problem) This hypothetical situation is why you don't want anybody but the team that is playing the game warming up.

In the OP the R was given the information from the HC. He then did the right thing, IMO, by having the varsity squad vacate the floor.

If you don't know or can't tell then that is one thing but if you know then, IMO, we should take care of it.

That's exactly why you ignore it. Game managment. You are causing an needless confrontation on a play that doesn't occur often (I think I've had 1 T for dunking in 8 years and that was in a summer game). Like I said, don't go looking for problems, take care of it when it occurs.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Junker

That's exactly why you ignore it. Game managment. You are causing an needless confrontation on a play that doesn't occur often (I think I've had 1 T for dunking in 8 years and that was in a summer game). Like I said, don't go looking for problems, take care of it when it occurs.

Junker I agree with you that this may never happen or @ least rarely. Nobody is looking for problems! Theres no confrontation @ all. Your just telling the HC that only team members of the team going to play are allowed to warm up. The V players will have their warm up time before their game.

If you don't handle it and you have this situation happen by a non team member then it leads to what this discussion is about. Some agree you can give a "T" and call the varsity player a team member & some don't. The "T" side of the argument isn't clearly rule supported. Why not then just prevent non team members from warming up so that this will not be a problem.

[Junker]

He questions the junior varsity coach about this, who replies that the varsity players are also warming up with the junior varsity team, as they "always" do. The referee requests that the varsity players leave the court, after which the varsity coach interjects by saying that the varsity players "always" do this, but he pulls his varsity players off the court.

I don't know, sounds a bit confrontational to me. Why have this be the first conversation of the night with the coach? If it is always happening, you begin the game by looking like an OOO and you aren't on great terms to begin with. I'd ignore it and talk to my association. If it is ignored every time, I'll be ignoring it as well.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Junker

He questions the junior varsity coach about this, who replies that the varsity players are also warming up with the junior varsity team, as they "always" do. The referee requests that the varsity players leave the court, after which the varsity coach interjects by saying that the varsity players "always" do this, but he pulls his varsity players off the court.
I don't know, sounds a bit confrontational to me. Why have this be the first conversation of the night with the coach? If it is always happening, you begin the game by looking like an OOO and you aren't on great terms to begin with.

You're right. I wasn't there, but according to the junior varsity referee, it was confrontational.

I had a very minor problem with the same varsity head coach before my varsity game that night. Per a NFHS point of emphasis a few years back, we here in Connecticut do not allow either team to "pregame huddle" in the center circle after introductions. This ritual must take place in the semicircle in front of each team's bench. After intoductions, befroe the national anthem, I relalize that the home team is in the center circle. I'm not going to make a big deal out of it before the anthem, so I pass on it, temporaraly. Before the jump ball to start the game, I take the coach caside and quietly explain to him, a first year coach, that his team is not allowed to do that in Connecticut. He says that he didn't know that. This was probably his eighth or ninth home game. What have my colleagues been doing for the past month and a half?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Before the jump ball to start the game, I take the coach aside and quietly explain to him, a first year coach, that his team is not allowed to do that in Connecticut. He says that he didn't know that. This was probably his eighth or ninth home game. What have my colleagues been doing for the past month and a half?

Your colleagues may have been telling him the exact same thing, Billy. Wouldn't be the first time that a coach tried to get away with something and then claimed that no one had ever called him on it before. Happens all the time ...as in "The officials last week let him wear it....".

[Ignats75]

Rule 4 Section 34 Art. 2... Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

I would contend that players in similar uniforms, warming up with team members, are affiliated with a team. If they retreat to the stands to watch the game, they are no longer affiliated with the team.

That interpretation would be covered under Rule 2 Section 3 Article 1