Way Too Many "Players" Warming Up

[ace]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

How do you give a Team technical? Supporters/followers?

Indirect on the coach "responsible for personel blah blah blah" only counts as a team foul.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by ace

Indirect on the coach "responsible for personel blah blah blah" only counts as a team foul.

Nice! Seriously there really isn't a way to penalize the coach for a non team member infraction. I suppose I could see the TEAM T for actions of the followers/supporters although not recommended.

[Gimlet25id]

This hypothetical situation is why nobody but the team members of that game should be warming up!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ace

Indirect on the coach "responsible for personel blah blah blah" only counts as a team foul.

A coach is only responsible for his team. Rule 10-4. That means he's responsible for his players and bench personnel as listed in rule 4-34.

If you're going to "blah, blah, blah.." and give an indirect "T" to a coach, you better have rules justification to do so. You don't in this situation.

If you're going to do something that going to end up in a game report, you'd better have some rules backing for your action.

[BktBallRef]

I have no idea what all this "discussion" is about.

When the officials take THE FLOOR, their jurisdiction begins.

Warm-ups occur on THE FLOOR. Game management is not needed.

"Coach, I need your team on the floor for warm-ups and no one else."

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Cool. Now find something....anything....in the rules somewhere that will back up those statements. I can't.

Personally I ain't big on making up my own rules. That has a tendency to come back and bite you on the butt.

4-34-2 Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to, substitutes, coaches, managers, and statisticians. During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

That's enough rule for me.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

"Coach, I need your team on the floor for warm-ups and no one else."

I would have no problem with this, but if he protests because he wants the VAR players to warm up too, then I would allow him as long as he understands he is responsible if they dunk, commit USC, etc...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

4-34-2 Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to, substitutes, coaches, managers, and statisticians. During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

That's enough rule for me.


I would have no problem with this, but if he protests because he wants the VAR players to warm up too, then I would allow him as long as he understands he is responsible if they dunk, commit USC, etc...

I agree....anyone the coach allows on the floor during warmups ARE team personnel. Call them assistant coaches, managers, whatever. But if they violation a rule on the floor, the team gets penalized.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

4-34-2 Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to, substitutes, coaches, managers, and statisticians. During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

That's enough rule for me.

If the coach tells you that they ain't affiliated with his team but are members of the varsity team, is that still enough rule for you? Especially when they supply team lists that show that along with the complaint that they're gonna put in against you?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the coach tells you that they ain't affiliated with his team but are members of the varsity team, is that still enough rule for you? Especially when they supply team lists that show that along with the complaint that they're gonna put in against you?

You are misunderstanding what angle I am coming from.

If the coach says that, THEN I will tell him the VAR team cannot warm up with the JV in the first place.

I will go to the coach immediately and tell him that if he wants the VAR to warm up with his team, then he is responsible for their actions and they will be conisdered "affiliated." Otherwise, as I have already stated, they cannot warm up with the team.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

You are misunderstanding what angle I am coming from.

If the coach says that, THEN I will tell him the VAR team cannot warm up with the JV in the first place.

I will go to the coach immediately and tell him that if he wants the VAR to warm up with his team, then he is responsible for their actions and they will be conisdered "affiliated." Otherwise, as I have already stated, they cannot warm up with the team.

Yes, I was misunderstanding.

I'd still handle it slightly differently though. They ain't warming up- no matter what- if they ain't part of the JV team. I'd just have 'em all removed from the court.