Way Too Many "Players" Warming Up

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It's a team technical. Whether or not that dunk-er is a "player", he's on the floor and he's responsible to follow the rules, and the coach is responsible too, when he doesn't. If the coach doesn't like starting the game with shots by the opponent, then he can get those kids under control.

A team is defined in rule 4-34. The people that you want to nail aren't part of the team. The head coach is responsible for bench personnel(10-4) also so you can't nail him. Anybody else is a "spectator" and home management is responsible for them. Rule 2-8-1NOTE. You can penalize a team's followers, but it generally isn't recommended.

Just go to home management and get them to remove everybody not connected to the team from the court.

There's old threads around on this one iirc.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A team is defined in rule 4-34. The people that you want to nail aren't part of the team. The head coach is responsible for bench personnel(10-4) also so you can't nail him. Anybody else is a "spectator" and home management is responsible for them. Rule 2-8-1NOTE. You can penalize a team's followers, but it generally isn't recommended.

Just go to home management and get them to remove everybody not connected to the team from the court.

There's old threads around on this one iirc.

Does this apply only when the non-team-members are dunking? If they're just hanging around, shooting around, etc, is that okay?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Does this apply only when the non-team-members are dunking? If they're just hanging around, shooting around, etc, is that okay?

Get game management to deal with 'em. That's their responsibility.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's old threads around on this one iirc.

yep, it was discussed about a year or two ago.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by truerookie

yep, it was discussed about a year or two ago.

What dunks?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A team is defined in rule 4-34. The people that you want to nail aren't part of the team. The head coach is responsible for bench personnel(10-4) also so you can't nail him. Anybody else is a "spectator" and home management is responsible for them. Rule 2-8-1NOTE. You can penalize a team's followers, but it generally isn't recommended.

Just go to home management and get them to remove everybody not connected to the team from the court.

There's old threads around on this one iirc.

I'm not gonna read the rest of the thread because this is the answer.

And how do you know there are spectators warming up on the floor? When you go to the table at 12 minutes before the game and see there are only 10 players in the book but 25 players warming up.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
"Coach, I need your team on the floor for warm-ups and no one else."

I would have no problem with this, but if he protests because he wants the VAR players to warm up too, then I would allow him as long as he understands he is responsible if they dunk, commit USC, etc...

You are setting yourself up for a long night if you do this. [Not you, Tony.]

[wisref2]

I'm thinking that I'm not going to allow it - though I'd love some rule support to back me up.

1 - they (probably) aren't legally equipped and you're not supposed to be wearing illegal equipment even during warmups.

2 - they aren't part of the team. If varsity players are allowed to warm up with the JV, that's no different than letting fans on the floor to warm up with them.

3 - the liability of allowing non-participants on the floor.

[BillyMac]

My local IAABO board interpreter has emailed me and has said that varsity players warming up before a junior varsity game, while officials are on the floor, is illegal. He will expound upon this at Sunday's monthly meeting. If I learn more, like citations, I'll share with the Forum next week.