Well, the book doesn't discuss this situation, so I'm looking at it this way. Coach is responsible for warm-ups. Whoever is on the floor is there with his permission either express or implicit. If that a var player dunks before a JV game, he can't get a T (unless, like MTD recommends you add the name to the JV book), so you just make it a team T, seatbelt the coach, and take it from there. This is what I've done in the past and my commissioner said it worked for him.

I don't think you can make game management responsible. What if it's the visiting team? WHen should game management step in and tell ... who?... to get off the court, or to not dunk? And if the visiting var player does dunk during the JV warm-ups, THEN how do you penalize??? Can't penalize home game management!!

Does this apply only when the non-team-members are dunking? If they're just hanging around, shooting around, etc, is that okay?

You recommend calling a team technical foul and you want to seatbelt the coach also?

Juulie, the head coach is responsible for his team. Game administration is responsible for everybody else. It's that simple.

I agree that if a V player dunks while the JV game is warming up that it stands to reason that we ought to penalize the BRAIN FART. That being said I don't know how in the world you can whack a non-player for the team that is going to play, add his name to the book, & penalize the coach.The varsity player isn't a team member of the JV team.

This is exactly why you shouldn't allow anyone but the team members to warm up.

Lets say for example the varsity player was suspended for a couple of games and was going to sit on the bench to help the JV squad then you could whack him as bench personnel and charge indirectly to the HC.

If its possible to rule like you have suggested could you please post the rule reference. Honestly I would like to penalize the idiot I just don't see how you can?

yep, it was discussed about a year or two ago.

Gimlet:

I did read the entire post. And my quesiton to you still stands. By what logic do you come to the conlusion that Game Management is resposible for the VAR players warming up with the JV players? There is no logic and you just made a statement that you thought would CYA so that you wouldn't have to earn the big bucks you are being paid to officiate the game.

MTD, Sr.

Get game management to deal with 'em. That's their responsibility.

Well, with a team T, don't you have to give the seatbelt?

Hhmmm, I'll take that up with my commish. I've been told differently. I just don't see how home management can be responsible for visiting varsity players. And again I ask, are the var players allowed, as long as they don't break the rules?

If we do this right, Gimlet, you and I can duck out and have a tall one while MTD and JR duke it out. Agreed?:D

What if a fan comes out of the stands, picks up a ball and dunks it? Your whacking the coach, adding the fan to the book (just kidding), sitting the coach...

I came to the samee conclusion. They ain't part of the team, as defined in 4-34. They aren't the head coach's responsibility, as per 10-4. That leaves 2-8-1NOTE--"team followers or supporters".

Coors works for me...;)

Why are you leaving poor ol' Mark by his lonesome? You agree with him, don't you?

I know you do. I"m just saying, I'm gonna go look in my books, think about it and get back to you. Let MTD do the arguing. Gotta admit, agreeing with MTD doesn't feel real comfortable, and disagreeing with you doesn't either. SO I'll let ya'll figure it out, and then Gimlet and I will check back in for the Supreme COurt ruling. K?

I don't. Just get game management to get them off the court.

There...now I disagree with everybody.