What's the call?

[Nevadaref]

The question of which T to assess is a good one. Here's my take.

Since you did not observe #21 come back onto the court, you don't know if he did it while the ball was still dead or if he came on during play while the ball was live.
Therefore, the only call that is supported by the rules here is the TEAM technical foul for having more than five team members participating.

The illegal substitution T which would be charged to the individual needs to be observed as he enters during a live ball. If he simply walked off and then came back before the throw-in began, he really shouldn't be penalized for illegal entry/substitution because he may not have been the player who was actually supposed to leave. That's a kid/coach being confused. As long as the ball hasn't yet become live that can be sorted out. However, once the throw-in begins, the TEAM must be penalized. NO WAY should an official stop play and then continue at the POI without penalty as suggested by a previous poster.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Since you did not observe #21 come back onto the court, you don't know if he did it while the ball was still dead or if he came on during play while the ball was live.
Therefore, the only call that is supported by the rules here is the TEAM technical foul for having more than five team members participating.

I agree, FWIW.

[Chess Ref]

Had a game where player was substituted out and coach had her stand on the court so "we couldn't" start the game. He was just being a azz and trying to show us who was running the show.

My partner,a grizzled and well respected vet, gave him a heads up ,and then put the ball in play. Tweeted and gave a team tech.

It was actually pretty funny.

We didn't have that issue anymore that night.

[cdoug]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Had a game where player was substituted out and coach had her stand on the court so "we couldn't" start the game. He was just being a azz and trying to show us who was running the show.

My partner,a grizzled and well respected vet, gave him a heads up ,and then put the ball in play. Tweeted and gave a team tech.

It was actually pretty funny.

We didn't have that issue anymore that night.

Maybe I misunderstand but couldn't that have been a delay instead?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by cdoug

Maybe I misunderstand but couldn't that have been a delay instead?

Ask yourself this, Does it meet any of the delay of game criteria?

I would have T'ed in the situation. It's clear the coach was being unsporting.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Ask yourself this, Does it meet any of the delay of game criteria?

I would have T'ed in the situation. It's clear the coach was being unsporting.

That would be what happened......

[deecee]

Originally Posted by cdoug

Maybe I misunderstand but couldn't that have been a delay instead?

Why do we want to give coaches/players so much leeway???? What are we scared of here? Hes being a sh!thead and thinks hes being cute. Stick em and move on. I dont get why a lot of officials are so very concerned with keeping coaches happy. Our primary resposibility is to to officiate the game. Coaches "happiness" does not fall into this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Since you did not observe #21 come back onto the court, you don't know if he did it while the ball was still dead or if he came on during play while the ball was live.
Therefore, the only call that is supported by the rules here is the TEAM technical foul for having more than five team members participating.

Actually, I do know. I watched #21 leave the court and sit down on the bench. As I put the ball in play, I was on the endline opposite the bench. When I heard the coach asking for timeout, I looked toward the bench and the coach was the only person standing. I know that #21 entered the court illegally, even though I did not actually see him do so.