Turned down the opportunity to call "Delay Return to the Court" T yesterday.

[ca_rumperee]

CYO 7th graders. I'm lead. Hand ball to the inbounder. I initiate count, he passes it in... but something feels strange... kid stays OOB for a couple of counts, then slides behind be to the corner, catches and shoots.

I did not know for certain that this was a calculated move on his part, so made no call. I did talk about him later, saying that if he delays on purpose...

Anyways, that one is still on the "haven't called yet" list.

[Nevadaref]

Unfortunately, you missed this call and allowed that kid to gain an unfair advantage. He cheated and you should have penalized him for it.

[grunewar]

I haven't had the "opportunity" to make this call yet either.

Now, seeing as I work mostly MS/F and Rec Ball, the first time I do get the "opportunity" to call this, I can just imagine the next thing I'm gonna hear will sound something like....."What? You've got to be kidding me?" Which I hope isn't bad enough to get a WHACK!

It may be the right call, but the fact that it's seldom used can always cause, ahem, momentary irritation......

[Junker]

I would like to see this changed to a violation so it does get called. To me it is similar to being oob. I called it once in a weekend tournament game. Had to as the shot that was hit put a team up 1 with 3 seconds remaining. It was an obvious one although few people know and understand the rule.

[Back In The Saddle]

I agree. The Fed finally wised up/caved in and made leaving the court a violation, after a year or so of making it a POE while it was still a T. When that didn't work, and it still wasn't being called, they had no choice but to change it.

As long as this remains a technical foul, I and many other officials will not call it. If the Fed reduces the penalty, it'll start getting called more.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I agree. The Fed finally wised up/caved in and made leaving the court a violation, after a year or so of making it a POE while it was still a T. When that didn't work, and it still wasn't being called, they had no choice but to change it.

As long as this remains a technical foul, I and many other officials will not call it. If the Fed reduces the penalty, it'll start getting called more.

I agree

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I agree. The Fed finally wised up/caved in and made leaving the court a violation, after a year or so of making it a POE while it was still a T. When that didn't work, and it still wasn't being called, they had no choice but to change it. As long as this remains a technical foul, I and many other officials will not call it. If the Fed reduces the penalty, it'll start getting called more.

Agree. The NFHS made a similar change with the excessive swinging of the elbows rule. When it was a violation we called it. When it became a technical foul we didn't call it enough, or even waited for contact and called a common, or intentional, personal foul. Now that it's back as a violation, we call it again.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

As long as this remains a technical foul, I and many other officials will not call it. If the Fed reduces the penalty, it'll start getting called more.

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Unfortunately, you missed this call and allowed that kid to gain an unfair advantage. He cheated and you should have penalized him for it.

C'mon, I don't think I'd call him a cheater.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

C'mon, I don't think I'd call him a cheater.

I would and did. The kid did something deemed to be deceitful. That's called cheating.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would and did. The kid did something deemed to be deceitful. That's called cheating.

It's a violation, nothing more. Please cite rule referring to cheater.

Why don't you drag him to the town square and brand him with a scarlet 'C'?

Sorry, you're a little pompous on this one.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It's a violation, nothing more. Please cite rule referring to cheater.

Why don't you drag him to the town square and brand him with a scarlet 'C'?

Sorry, you're a little pompous on this one.

First, it's not a violation. It's a technical foul.
Secondly, the reason that this is the penalty is that the NFHS deems this to be "unfair, unethical, [or] dishonorable conduct" and thus warranting an unsporting technical foul per rule 4-19-14. If that's not tantamount to cheating, I don't know what is.

I guess you agree with little deecee who thinks that he knows better than the experienced NFHS committee. If you want to call someone pompous, I suggest that you look in his direction. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to make the correct call in this situation.