kid said what to get a T

[deecee]

why is that a bait? I am up front with them that they are on thin ice. I see it better than just giving them a T.

And funny comment Nevada -- you might even be surprised that I did playoffs games in the past as well.

[Coltdoggs]

Well, there is no provision in the rule book that I am aware of that says you have to give any warning but generally I simply tell them I've heard enough....I have just lowered the boom before though without any warning...

Why do I feel this way (baiting)...probably by what you wrote you say to them...

It's going to cost you...

Doesn't simply stating, "Coach I've heard enough", let them know they have worn out your eardrum?

I guess it's that ..

It's going to cost you...

just sounds like an invite or challenge or baiting them to say something else so you can whack them and show them who is boss.

Like I said, we each handle thing in our own manner....what I'm saying may not be in your comfort zone as what you say would not be in mine....

[Rich]

I prefer the direct approach with coaches I'm familiar with.

"If you yell across the court again, you will receive a technical foul."

Why would you use a phrase like, "it'll cost ya."?

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I prefer the direct approach with coaches I'm familiar with.

"If you yell across the court again, you will receive a technical foul."

Why would you use a phrase like, "it'll cost ya."?

Ok...the cynic in me says ...What if he yells across the court for a timeout... I know you'd not do that Rich....

I'm not gonna say "it'll cost ya" just not for me...

[deecee]

colt -- thank you and good point. I guess I will work on adjusting my warning.

[Bearfanmike20]

There is a difference between a player saying that he doesn't agree with a call... and saying that you are the reason they are losing. By saying that he is questioning your integrity and yes.. he should be T'd up for that immediatly without warning.

[JRutledge]

Even though I was not there, I probably would have asked the player to repeat what they said. If they did not repeat what they said, then I would just let them know directly that "you might not want to go down that road with me." I would either tell the coach that he needs to take care of X player or I will, or if I did not have a chance to talk to the coach, I would just put that in my little back pocket and the next time player X does not get another chance.

It is really hard to say what I would do if no one heard the comments because if the kid was a jag off earlier in the game that would be easy. If that was the first time he said anything, I might handle it differently. I want to avoid a T anytime I can. But sometimes people put you into a situation that you have little choice.

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

I think that when dealing with a verbal excahnge, it is fair to give them a chance to retract or just shut up. I had a situation on Saturday where I had just called a travelling violation on a kid. I then ended up right in front of their bench and one of the ASSistant coaches wants to talk about why that wasn't a travel. I said, "Coach, he travelled, and I'm not going to discuss it with you." He kept yapping, and I said, "Alan (who is the HC) you need to get your bench under control." AC looks at me and says, "I'm not out of control." WHACK!!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Even though I was not there, I probably would have asked the player to repeat what they said. If they did not repeat what they said, then I would just let them know directly that "you might not want to go down that road with me." I would either tell the coach that he needs to take care of X player or I will, or if I did not have a chance to talk to the coach, I would just put that in my little back pocket and the next time player X does not get another chance.

It is really hard to say what I would do if no one heard the comments because if the kid was a jag off earlier in the game that would be easy. If that was the first time he said anything, I might handle it differently. I want to avoid a T anytime I can. But sometimes people put you into a situation that you have little choice.

Peace

Jeff...............that's an excellent way to handle it in my view. Hopefully I won't have to use it.

It's very hard to make a judgement call on these situations that we read in print only, much depends on the attitude, inflection, body language, all of the usual stuff.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

There is a difference between a player saying that he doesn't agree with a call and saying that you are the reason they are losing. By saying that he is questioning your integrity and yes, he should be T'd up for that immediatly without warning.

Amen.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I prefer the direct approach with coaches I'm familiar with.

"If you yell across the court again, you will receive a technical foul."

Why would you use a phrase like, "it'll cost ya."?

Still too much.

Avoid phrases like that, it's too close to, "I don't want to hear another word coach!" Then the coach says, "Sorry, you are right." Now if you want to have any credibility you have to whack him for apologizing.

I'd use, "Coach I won't have you yelling comments across the floor." Simple, direct, dealing with the behavior with just an implied threat. The coach knows what is coming, but it isn't delivered in a confrontational way.

[Kelvin green]

Discretion is the better part of valor...

2 point game and 4 minutes to go in 4th and a T?

How bout using your captains or coach and tell them to get the player under control before he has to be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct?

T's need to make to keep game neutral or game better. I doubt that this one would do either one...

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Discretion is the better part of valor...

2 point game and 4 minutes to go in 4th and a T?

How bout using your captains or coach and tell them to get the player under control before he has to be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct?

T's need to make to keep game neutral or game better. I doubt that this one would do either one...

So tell us how much a player has to say to get a T in this situation? I'm not letting a kid do this blatantly in one of my games.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

So tell us how much a player has to say to get a T in this situation? I'm not letting a kid do this blatantly in one of my games.

I could care less when this occurs during the game or what the situation is. I don't believe in letting players blatantly dump on me, like this one is doing. And if he said that about my partner(s), I'd nail his butt too.

It's a slippery slope imo. Once you let one player get away with it, to be consistent you then have to be prepared to let every player on both teams take a free shot at you. Personally, I'll be damned if I'm gonna put myself in that position.

My own opinion is that there is just way too much over-thinking going on about calling technical fouls. If it's unsporting behavior, then it's our job to deal with it.

I'm with Tom.

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Discretion is the better part of valor...

2 point game and 4 minutes to go in 4th and a T?

How bout using your captains or coach and tell them to get the player under control before he has to be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct?

T's need to make to keep game neutral or game better. I doubt that this one would do either one...

To a point I agree with your first sentence......But I also feel there is a sportsmanship element to it as well...IMO his comment crossed over the line and called into question my credibility as an official who is unbaised nor cares who wins the game.

He can THINK that but he's not going to verbalize it and have me hear it....Let the kid learn from the situation...at the end of the day he needs to learn how to conduct himself when life get's tough....casting blame on the official or others won't cut it in the real world.