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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:29am
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Help with this one
On Saturday I had a very close girls game. late 2nd half, A1 fouls B1. B1 is now in the bonus. A1 then two hand shoves B1 (not hard but definately out of frustration or anger). I called a Technical. My question is, should she have been tossed??
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:31am
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Always a judgment call by the calling official.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:36am
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Technical seems to right route
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:42am
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Dead ball, yes?
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I guess the question for the officials is whether it was flagrant, and if so, the player is disqualified. Wert.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:46am
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Yeah, was it during a dead ball or live ball?
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:57am
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Tech seems right, unless the two-hand shove was very severe, then it could be considered flagrant possibly.
After this play just keep an eye on the player, to ensure that things don't go downhill.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 10:58am
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As always, had to be there. But speaking generally.....
Dead ball contact is ignored unless it's intentional or flagrant. In your case it certainly sounds intentional. But it doesn't sound flagrant from your description. There was no punch thrown. There was no attempt to injure. So call the intentional T. If the coach is smart he/she will sit A1 for a good, long while. If the coach isn't that bright, and you think there may be more trouble brewing, have a very direct chat with A1 and let her know that she now has your full attention and if she steps out of line again, even a little, she'll be done for the night. As always, just my $0.02.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 11:30am
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Just amazing:
Fighting is a flagrant act and can occur when the ball is dead or live. Fighting inlcudes, but is not limited to combative acts such as: art.1 An attempt to strike, punch or kick an opponent with a fist, hands, arms, legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made. Clear to me up to this point. art 2. An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act toward an opponent that causes an opponent to retaliate by fighting. Hasn't change; still clear to me. What the OP describe is fighting by feds rules. It does not state how severe it must be. I'm not for keeping a player in the game for an senseless act on their behalf and I wouldn't encourage others to take that same approach when it comes to FIGHTING!!!!! 
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 11:41am
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Everything changes if B1 then punches A1 right?
Dead ball push by A1 on B1. I rule it to warrant an Intentional Technical foul, but if B1 responds to the push by fighting, A1's "non-flagrant" push now becomes a Flagrant Technical foul because their action led to the fight.
Or, if after my 2nd whistle, B1 pushed back with a similar "don't push me" kind of push, but not an "it's on b!tch!" kind of push... then what do we have? I would think this is NOT a double technical, but rather two consecutive technicals. Team B would shoot the one-and-one with lane cleared. Team B would shoot the technical with lane cleared. Team A would shoot the technical with lane cleared. Team A has ball for throw-in at division line. That is the way I read it, fortunately it has yet to happen to me. Last edited by ca_rumperee; Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:45am.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 11:44am
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 12:04pm
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two hand shove != strike two hand shove != punch two hand shove != kick A two-hand shove is not necessarily a fighting act... In the official's judgement it could be considered flagrant, but to say that it must be considered flagrant and fighting is a severe misinterpretation of the fight rule.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 12:50pm
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To clarify, it was a dead ball. I had not taken my eyes off of either girl. Everybody in the gym seen it I think!! The coach of the offender had no problem with the "t". However, I was a little dissapointed he did not remove her from the game or even call her over for a chat!
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 12:57pm
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good call -- had a similar thing happen in a game this year and my partner did what you did. Him acting on it prevented a "possible" fight had we not dealt with the shove after the foul. Ended the game with the same player who shoved getting tossed for slamming the ball after I called a foul. He did that behind me and my partner picked it up.
gotta do what you gotta do
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Mon Jan 21, 2008, 07:59pm
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Strike ???
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It could have been flagrant, or it could have been intentional. I guess that you had to be there.
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