Blowout becomes a mess

[CJRef]

Girls Varsity. Team A is up by 20, wants an intentional called with 8 seconds left, doesn't get it. Trail is right in front of A's bench. Trail hears a male voice yell "You're un****ing believable" from the bench. Could not have been the players (girls), trainer or head coach (women), no spectators behind the bench, so it leaves one the three male assistants. Trail spins around instantly but all three have their poker faces on. Trail blows whistle, walks to table and announces a T on the head coach, she then loses it. By now the lead is over at the table to get him out of there but before he does, head coach says "How can you call that on me, I didn't say it" to which the trail tells the head coach she's in charge of the bench, that's why she picked it up. As that is happening, one of the assistants gets in the way and says "get this dumbass (unfortunately I'm pretty sure he was referring to my partner) out of here". I'm now over in the area while trying to keep on eye on the players. As my partners are coming to meet with me away from the bench, I hear another one of the assistants yell directly at us "What a f***ing joke". We discuss that we now have two more technicals and an ejection. I go to report what we have, the bench all of a sudden calmed down, coach leaves, we shoot the free throws and finish the game.

The whole thing took us by surprise since they hadn't said a word the entire game and the foul they wanted was for an accidental jersey grab.
Afterwards we discussed the situation at length and discussed variations and other questions. What is the most effective way to deal with a bench issue that merits a technical but cannot be attributed to an individual? Would you have a flagrant for the original comment?

[jdw3018]

In my area, the f-bomb like that merits a flagrant if it's loud enough to be heard by the players. I'm sure in some areas it doesn't.

As for how to handle the situation where you can't identify which said it, I'm curious to hear from the more experienced folks how they'd handle this.

Stupid end to a blowout - I hate it when things go bad like that, but nothing you could do but call the Ts and go on your way.

[JugglingReferee]

Since you can't identify the original voice of the 1st F-bomb, I have just a bench T. If I could ID that person, it's a flagrant T. As for the other T's, all good in my opinion. The only way to prevent them is to try to get away from the bench ASAP.

[blindzebra]

Where to begin.

First off, call the bench T, give the HC an indirect.

Second, get away from the darn bench.

If a second or third T gets given make sure it's obvious that the bench earned it. If you are too close it gives the perception you are baiting them, if you are across the court it becomes obvious who is causing the situation.

Get together, sort out what gets shot where, at a distance and then go tell the HC she has a seat for the indirect caused by her assistant...if you had the foul call that started the mess even better, because then you can explain why you didn't have an intentional to the HC.

[RCBSports]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Second, get away from the darn bench.

If a second or third T gets given make sure it's obvious that the bench earned it. If you are too close it gives the perception you are baiting them, if you are across the court it becomes obvious who is causing the situation.

Get together, sort out what gets shot where, at a distance and then go tell the HC she has a seat for the indirect caused by her assistant...if you had the foul call that started the mess even better, because then you can explain why you didn't have an intentional to the HC.

Yea, during a youth league I was working, I called a T on a coach saying that I was a F'en idiot, I called the T and him and I got into a little dispute. Afterwords, my partner told me after calling a T get away from the area. Take another spot. If they have a question, they can call a timeout and ask politely, if not, after the games works as well.

But yea, the whole problem had to suck. I hate when things go like that. I would handle it like this. Since we don't have a Bench T I would call an indirect T on the coach; next I would have both coaches report to the table and lay down the ground rules. I would say "Ok, I want this game under control. I don't want to hear another word out of anyones mouth. If you have a question, ask, but don't shout or course."

After words, call a tight game. Calling a tight game early normally gets rid of all problems during the second half. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by RCBSports

Yea, during a youth league I was working, I called a T on a coach saying that I was a F'en idiot, I called the T and him and I got into a little dispute. Afterwords, my partner told me after calling a T get away from the area. Take another spot. If they have a question, they can call a timeout and ask politely, if not, after the games works as well.

But yea, the whole problem had to suck. I hate when things go like that. I would handle it like this. Since we don't have a Bench T I would call an indirect T on the coach; next I would have both coaches report to the table and lay down the ground rules. I would say "Ok, I want this game under control. I don't want to hear another word out of anyones mouth. If you have a question, ask, but don't shout or course."

After words, call a tight game. Calling a tight game early normally gets rid of all problems during the second half. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks

There's no need to get away from a coach that said that because he should have gotten tossed for a flagrant T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

There's no need to get away from a coach that said that because he should have gotten tossed for a flagrant T.

Is that because you'd personally let him stay and coach anyway, and wander while doing so?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RCBSports

Yea, during a youth league I was working, I called a T on a coach saying that I was a F'en idiot, I called the T and him and I got into a little dispute. Afterwords, my partner told me after calling a T get away from the area. Take another spot. If they have a question, they can call a timeout and ask politely, if not, after the games works as well.

But yea, the whole problem had to suck. I hate when things go like that. I would handle it like this. Since we don't have a Bench T I would call an indirect T on the coach; next I would have both coaches report to the table and lay down the ground rules. I would say "Ok, I want this game under control. I don't want to hear another word out of anyones mouth. If you have a question, ask, but don't shout or course."

After words, call a tight game. Calling a tight game early normally gets rid of all problems during the second half. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks

He called you what?

Boom, gone, thanks for coming, parting gifts on the way to the car.

[bob jenkins]

NCAA (at least NCAAW) gives the option of assessing a "bench" T -- and an indirect to the coach. I don't think it's specifically mentioned ion FED, but I'm not sure it's not a good idea.

[rainmaker]

I think your partner should have called a T on the bench in general, give the head coach an indirect with the seatbelt, and get the ball into play for the shots as quickly as possible. If all three refs are paying attention to the bench to help prevent further outbursts, and the ball gets back into play, sometimes , sometimes these sorts of messes can be prevented.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

....... get the ball into play for the shots as quickly as possible. If all three refs are paying attention to the bench to help prevent further outbursts, and the ball gets back into play, sometimes , sometimes these sorts of messes can be prevented.

Yep, I'm a firm believer that bad things tend to happen when the ball is dead....

[Rodical]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Yep, I'm a firm believer that bad things tend to happen when the ball is dead....

Or even when it's live ......... Over the years, I've tried to develop a 'deaf ear' (not too difficult for me, since my hearing IS diminished), but in certain situations, such as the OP, it seems that if the poster could've just "not heard" the remark, things would've been much better......Once they've "gotten my attention", then we've got a whole new situation.

[CJRef]

Originally Posted by Rodical

Or even when it's live ......... Over the years, I've tried to develop a 'deaf ear' (not too difficult for me, since my hearing IS diminished), but in certain situations, such as the OP, it seems that if the poster could've just "not heard" the remark, things would've been much better......Once they've "gotten my attention", then we've got a whole new situation.

You're kidding, right?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Rodical

Or even when it's live ......... Over the years, I've tried to develop a 'deaf ear' (not too difficult for me, since my hearing IS diminished), but in certain situations, such as the OP, it seems that if the poster could've just "not heard" the remark, things would've been much better......Once they've "gotten my attention", then we've got a whole new situation.

Most definitely we don't want to have rabbit ears, but each of the comments in the OP deserve to be assessed with a technical foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rodical

but in certain situations, such as the OP, it seems that if the poster could've just "not heard" the remark, things would've been much better.......

No, things would be much worse. You just showed the whole bench, the opposing team, your partners and everybody in the crowd that could hear that remark that you are severely lacking in testicular fortitude.

Saying that any official should ever ignore demeaning, profane remarks like that is absolutely ridiculous. Methinks that this officiating racket is not really meant for you, podner.