Never say Never

Junker · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:03am

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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

I might say....slower to give signal on double whistles and eye contact with partner can help this out too...You still should come together.

I know I've done this and get all excited and don't heed my own words above selling my call....It happens...

Absolutely, the problem was caused by my partner and I having poor mechanics on this play.

Nevadaref · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Junker

Absolutely, the problem was caused by my partner and I having poor mechanics on this play.

Unless this was an NCAAW game, you also exhibited poor rules knowledge on the play.

Once both of you have given opposite signals, you need to follow case book play 4.19.8 Sit C and go with a double foul.

Gimlet25id · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:51am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Unless this was an NCAAW game, you also exhibited poor rules knowledge on the play.

Once both of you have given opposite signals, you need to follow case book play 4.19.8 Sit C and go with a double foul.

Just waiting for NEV to jump on this one.

Junker · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:55am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Unless this was an NCAAW game, you also exhibited poor rules knowledge on the play.

Once both of you have given opposite signals, you need to follow case book play 4.19.8 Sit C and go with a double foul.

It was a NFHS game, but I do work NCAAW, does that count?

Honestly, I think the NCAAW have the correct way to handle this situation. Had we followed NFHS mechanics, we never would have had the problem in the first place.

Gimlet25id · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by Junker

It was a NFHS game, but I do work NCAAW, does that count?

Honestly, I think the NCAAW have the correct way to handle this situation. Had we followed NFHS mechanics, we never would have had the problem in the first place.

I also work NCAAW and agree that IMO the way we handle the blarge is better.

In a FED game the rules dictate that if both officials give a preliminary signal that you have to go with the double foul. Improper mechanics aside we still have to follow the rules for whatever game we are officiating @ that time.

Nevadaref · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 12:07pm

Junker,
I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. I just reread my post and I can see how it might come across that way. I was merely trying to inform you of the proper way to handle it. It seemed that you may not have known. Hopefully, it won't occur again in the future to you for a long, long time.

I happen to believe that when one finds himself in a mess that the best way to get out of it is to properly follow the rules.

Camron Rust · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Junker,
I was trying to be a jerk about it.

Really?

JRutledge · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 12:25pm

I did notice that. But I just did not want to be the one that stirred the pot.

Peace

Nevadaref · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Junker,
I was trying to be a jerk about it.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Really?

Junker · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Junker,
I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. I just reread my post and I can see how it might come across that way. I was merely trying to inform you of the proper way to handle it. It seemed that you may not have known. Hopefully, it won't occur again in the future to you for a long, long time.

I happen to believe that when one finds himself in a mess that the best way to get out of it is to properly follow the rules.

I didn't take it that way. I've been around here long enough to know better. I actually saw it coming. I've been getting sloppy about putting my fist up on this play, especially at C. One of the things I was going to work on this season was getting away from just punching the PC call. Evidently I haven't worked hard enough on it. It bugs me just because this is a bad habit I've developed over the past couple of seasons. I knew it would catch up with me and it did.

Rizzo21 · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 01:14pm

Had a partner the other day that was newer than I was. Two-man Freshman boys, I'm new Lead on a fast break and have a block. Didn't hear his whistle nor did I think I would since this was a break, the play was RIGHT in front of me. Guess I should have been more aware of what he was doing but as I went to report the foul, he said he already did. I'm assuming he saw my call and took the courtesy of reporting it for me. Not good communication for sure.

WhistlesAndStripes · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 01:53pm

The dreaded double-whistle is something that MUST be discussed in every pregame, with the emphasis on NO PRELIMINARY SIGNAL if two of you blow on the same play. Discuss with your partners ahead of time how it will then be handled. We generally say, if there's a double whistle, give it to the person who's primary it is.

BillyMac · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 16, 2008, 07:20pm

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Originally Posted by Rizzo21

Didn't hear his whistle.

I have no problems with double whistles, withholding preliminary signals, eye contact with partner, etc. If I ever run into a "Blarge", it will be because one of us doesn't hear the other one's whistle. Hasn't happened in 27 years, but, it could happen tomorrow night, and I'm always dreading how I'm going to deal with it.