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inigo montoya Tue Jan 15, 2008 03:45pm

Just out of curiosity, when there is a prayer offered before a game... what do you all do? Bow your heads out of respect or to join in? Continue to watch the benches?

Stat-Man Tue Jan 15, 2008 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30
Let me preface this post by saying I'm Catholic. Their games are different. It seems to be a labor of love with the coaches and far more intense.

Give me a Our Lady of Perpetual Motion versus Our Lady of Humidity any day, I love 'em. Sadly, they're better than most of my varsity games.

I'm Catholic as well and have noticed that a couple of schools in our league seem to thumb their nose at the 6th grade rule that requires players to appear in at least 2 but no more than 3 quarters in a regulation game.

I found it ironic that at one of those games, the timer was complaining that players need a chance to rest. I thought to myself "So how much rest did the player that illegally played all 24 minutes get?" :P

We have one of the teams at home this weekend. If they paint themselves into a corner this time, I will give them a choice of playing shorthanded or being reported to my AD and/or the league office, where they risk forfeiture and a one game suspension for the coach. :D

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 15, 2008 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018
Second, here in South Carolina I was at a public high school football game this fall where we had a prayer over the PA. Now that surprised me...

Really? Surprised? In South Carolina? :confused: I thought South Carolina was the buckle on the bible belt.

rainmaker Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:12pm

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Originally Posted by inigo montoya
Continue to watch the benches?

Watch players and take numbers of anyone who doesn't have bowed head, folded hands, closed eyes and lips moving along with the prayer!:D :D

jdw3018 Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Really? Surprised? In South Carolina? :confused: I thought South Carolina was the buckle on the bible belt.

I would have been better understood that "even in South Carolina that surprised me."

But you're right - if it's going to happen anywhere, even when definitely against the law, it's going to be right here in SC!

fullor30 Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:28pm

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Originally Posted by inigo montoya
Just out of curiosity, when there is a prayer offered before a game... what do you all do? Bow your heads out of respect or to join in? Continue to watch the benches?

I had a few varsity games with a Christian tournament recently and had a prayer before each game.

I wish all schools did it. God, Allah, everbody is welcome.

Smitty Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by inigo montoya
Just out of curiosity, when there is a prayer offered before a game... what do you all do? Bow your heads out of respect or to join in? Continue to watch the benches?

Not being a Christian or Catholic or whatever, I stand in front of the scorer's table with my hands behind my back and look straight ahead during the prayer.

Rodical Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:35pm

In my game recently between 2 Christian Schools, the one leading in pre-game prayer, prayed, and I quote, "Lord, please grant the officials a keen eye and sound judgment."......I have no problem agreeing with that, but wish he had prayed, "Lord, please help our coaches know that our officials are COMMITTED to un-biased regulation", since the home coach spent so much of his energy trying to convince us that we were biased against his team......very sad :(

mkiogima Tue Jan 15, 2008 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by inigo montoya
Just out of curiosity, when there is a prayer offered before a game... what do you all do? Bow your heads out of respect or to join in? Continue to watch the benches?

I'm Catholic and try to go to Church every Sunday so I made the Sign of The Cross, bowed my head, and said Amen after the prayer.

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 15, 2008 05:25pm

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Originally Posted by inigo montoya
Just out of curiosity, when there is a prayer offered before a game... what do you all do? Bow your heads out of respect or to join in? Continue to watch the benches?

Usually, I bow my head and recite the sh'ma to myself. The only thing I regret when I do this is that my head is uncovered but I figure the big guy upstairs will understand, given the circumstances.

And no - I am not joking.

RCBSports Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:38pm

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Originally Posted by MadCityRef
If a coach or anyone threatens to fight you, call the cops. It's called assault.

Aren't Catholic leagues just the best!! :D

Well, first off I am Catholic and yes, games do get interesting! hehehe.

Also, I love hanging around officials, considering I am dieing to be one. After the first half (half time) and the end of the game, it's my job to escort them back the official room. We do get some games where I am needed. I am a black belt and I am not afraid of anyone. Sounds cocky, but it's the truth. I have seen so many things happen to myself and my friends that I learned just to brace life. Anyway, I never actually had to much; mostly call security because this parent was going crazy because his son got a T in a game. So I basically told the ref to stay in the room, I locked the room, and radio for security. Had that parent escorted off the school grounds, escorted the official to his car and that's about it.

Honestly, I believe parents get more into games than the kids. But yes, if something like that happens, get the school admin or school security that or call the cops.

-Lucas

justacoach Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Usually, I bow my head and recite the sh'ma to myself. The only thing I regret when I do this is that my head is uncovered but I figure the big guy upstairs will understand, given the circumstances.

And no - I am not joking.

Do you dav'n as well??? That'll really get them going.....

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:20am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Brandan - check out Oregon statute 30.882 on line and work to get a similar statute passed in your state.

I worked on this a few years ago and testified (with others) in a state Senate committee hearing. At the time, I was a NASO member and they were pushing this type of legislation.

It's a "sports officials protection act" and here in Oregon, if that coach would have initiated physical contact with you or your partner, he would be prosecuted. It's a Class A misdemeanor here which means every county prosecutor is obligated to actually prosecute.

I hope this jerk's career as a coach is over.

BTW - it's idiots like this that have prompted me to bring my cousin Tony to my games. I never have problems like this anymore. ;)

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertain...ny_soprano.jpg


Mark:

Tony is my twin brother (I am the good looking brother). We are cousins.

MTD, Sr.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 16, 2008 06:27am

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Originally Posted by msavakinas
Mark Padgett is jewish? I did not see this one coming...

Yeah, he doesn't sound Jewish, does he?

BktBallRef Wed Jan 16, 2008 09:14am

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Originally Posted by grunewar
PS - Our guidance is never to give the "stop sign".....but that's a whole nuther conversation.....

Our guidance? Maybe your guidance but it's not mine.

Nothing wrong with telling a coach, "I've heard enough," "Coach, I'm not going to listen to that tonight," "Coach, no more, you've been warned." But you do it once. Next time, you bang him.

There's nothing wrong either with popping a coach who crosses the line before you have an opportunity to warn him that he's getting close.


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