Jr. High Coach = 1st toss for me.
 

Last Thursday night, I had a game between two Catholic schools. I knew before the game that it was going to be a close game due to the fact they were playing this game to see who stayed in for first place in the league. To start things off, the coach as well as about 5 members from the Visiting team calls and says that they are running late and would be there in about 20 minutes. After his arrival and the jump of the ball, things began to roll down hill, drastically. After every single call no matter what that went against his team he had something to say about it, so finally I had to give him the stop sign. Early in the 3rd quarter, there was a loose ball in front of his bench that left one of the home team’s players kind of hurt. No fouls. I was under the goal and his player that got the ball took it to the basket, shot and made it. After this I blew the ball dead to check on the player. The coach from the visiting team comes to the middle of the court hollering at my partner and I from not granting his time out. This is where he got his first T from coming on the court hollering at us. Then he refused to sit down equaling his second and toss. Just out of curiosity I asked my partner if he had called the time out and he said that he did not honestly hear him. The thing the threw me for a loop is why would you call a time out for the opposing team when you only have 1 left.

After the game the coach comes back into the gym, gets in my partner and I’s face wanting to fight us and telling us how much we sucked. The home team’s coach told him if he didn’t get out they would call the cops. They had to literally grab him and push him out of the gym.

Paperwork was filled out and now Im waiting to see what is going to happen.

Brandan - check out Oregon statute 30.882 on line and work to get a similar statute passed in your state.

I worked on this a few years ago and testified (with others) in a state Senate committee hearing. At the time, I was a NASO member and they were pushing this type of legislation.

It's a "sports officials protection act" and here in Oregon, if that coach would have initiated physical contact with you or your partner, he would be prosecuted. It's a Class A misdemeanor here which means every county prosecutor is obligated to actually prosecute.

I hope this jerk's career as a coach is over.

BTW - it's idiots like this that have prompted me to bring my cousin Tony to my games. I never have problems like this anymore. ;)

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Here's your problem. He had come to an intersection and was facing a T. He did not get one, so he kept driving. And he kept driving,....

Well, I didnt want to just pop him without warning him first..... I understand what you are saying thought.

This is all you have to remember from this incident. As a young new guy just know that you did a good job. I trust that next time you won't wait until the 3rd qtr to bang this type, you'll recognize it in the first 2 minutes. You don't need Mark's cousin Tony, you got all the power you need.

If a coach or anyone threatens to fight you, call the cops. It's called assault.

Aren't Catholic leagues just the best!! :D

Why not?

I did this very thing a couple weeks ago...I was about to give the warning as the coach kept chirping about calls/no calls, but when the coach decided to jump off the bench like his azh was on fire and scream "THAT'S TERRIBLE" I waited until the other teams fast break/score went through the net and Td him up without warning.

There is nothing that states we have to give a warning....I guess we are being tolerant when we do before we give the T.

What you are hearing from the forum is the voice of many, many yrs of experience. Your first toss always leaves you asking and having questions asked of you.....it probably won't be your last toss and you will be more confident and maybe less tolerant in the future!

PS - Our guidance is never to give the "stop sign".....but that's a whole nuther conversation.....

Let me preface this post by saying I'm Catholic. Their games are different. It seems to be a labor of love with the coaches and far more intense.

Give me a Our Lady of Perpetual Motion versus Our Lady of Humidity any day, I love 'em. Sadly, they're better than most of my varsity games.

I must say that I agree. I enjoy officiaiting for the local Catholic schools but I must say just as fullor said, the labor of live with the coaches are far more intense, which I must agree.

I only bring this up because of the tie to Catholic schools. I am doing a game tonight at a Christian school that says a prayer after the National Anthem but before player introductions. Have any of you guys seen this and has anyone seen the other "public school" team make a fuss out of it? I certainly don't have a problem with it but I can see where some schools might.

If the public schools don't like it, they won't schedule the games. I've had these games before, and never seen a problem from the visiting public school.

First, there's absolutely nothing that can be done (nor should there be) to stop a private school from doing this.

Second, here in South Carolina I was at a public high school football game this fall where we had a prayer over the PA. Now that surprised me...

I haven't seen it when the Christian school prays and there's a non-Christian school there.

The best pre-game prayer story I have had was when the little girl who was praying got almost finished, and then said, "Oh, and God, please help these refs do a decent job." The tone in her voice was the we needed all the help we could get!

Did it help? :D

Just out of curiosity, when there is a prayer offered before a game... what do you all do? Bow your heads out of respect or to join in? Continue to watch the benches?

I'm Catholic as well and have noticed that a couple of schools in our league seem to thumb their nose at the 6th grade rule that requires players to appear in at least 2 but no more than 3 quarters in a regulation game.

I found it ironic that at one of those games, the timer was complaining that players need a chance to rest. I thought to myself "So how much rest did the player that illegally played all 24 minutes get?" :P

We have one of the teams at home this weekend. If they paint themselves into a corner this time, I will give them a choice of playing shorthanded or being reported to my AD and/or the league office, where they risk forfeiture and a one game suspension for the coach. :D

Really? Surprised? In South Carolina? :confused: I thought South Carolina was the buckle on the bible belt.

Watch players and take numbers of anyone who doesn't have bowed head, folded hands, closed eyes and lips moving along with the prayer!:D :D

I would have been better understood that "even in South Carolina that surprised me."

But you're right - if it's going to happen anywhere, even when definitely against the law, it's going to be right here in SC!

I had a few varsity games with a Christian tournament recently and had a prayer before each game.

I wish all schools did it. God, Allah, everbody is welcome.

Not being a Christian or Catholic or whatever, I stand in front of the scorer's table with my hands behind my back and look straight ahead during the prayer.

In my game recently between 2 Christian Schools, the one leading in pre-game prayer, prayed, and I quote, "Lord, please grant the officials a keen eye and sound judgment."......I have no problem agreeing with that, but wish he had prayed, "Lord, please help our coaches know that our officials are COMMITTED to un-biased regulation", since the home coach spent so much of his energy trying to convince us that we were biased against his team......very sad :(

I'm Catholic and try to go to Church every Sunday so I made the Sign of The Cross, bowed my head, and said Amen after the prayer.

Usually, I bow my head and recite the sh'ma to myself. The only thing I regret when I do this is that my head is uncovered but I figure the big guy upstairs will understand, given the circumstances.

And no - I am not joking.

Well, first off I am Catholic and yes, games do get interesting! hehehe.

Also, I love hanging around officials, considering I am dieing to be one. After the first half (half time) and the end of the game, it's my job to escort them back the official room. We do get some games where I am needed. I am a black belt and I am not afraid of anyone. Sounds cocky, but it's the truth. I have seen so many things happen to myself and my friends that I learned just to brace life. Anyway, I never actually had to much; mostly call security because this parent was going crazy because his son got a T in a game. So I basically told the ref to stay in the room, I locked the room, and radio for security. Had that parent escorted off the school grounds, escorted the official to his car and that's about it.

Honestly, I believe parents get more into games than the kids. But yes, if something like that happens, get the school admin or school security that or call the cops.

-Lucas

Do you dav'n as well??? That'll really get them going.....

Mark:

Tony is my twin brother (I am the good looking brother). We are cousins.

MTD, Sr.

Yeah, he doesn't sound Jewish, does he?

Our guidance? Maybe your guidance but it's not mine.

Nothing wrong with telling a coach, "I've heard enough," "Coach, I'm not going to listen to that tonight," "Coach, no more, you've been warned." But you do it once. Next time, you bang him.

There's nothing wrong either with popping a coach who crosses the line before you have an opportunity to warn him that he's getting close.

Something wrong with the upper case "J" on your keyboard? :mad:

Most keyboards only have one 'J'. There usually are are "Shift" and "Caps Lock" buttons which control whether each individual letter is displayed as either a capital or lower case letter.

So my guess would be no, there was nothing wrong with the keyboard. The poster just did not choose to capitalize the 'J'.

I am a youth pastor and an official. I feel like I need to apologize for so many coaches at Christian schools...their conduct "should" be better, but is often-times worse than public schools. It's one thing to talk to the officials and even disagree strongly, but they cross the line so very often. I actually have less trouble with public school coaches than I have with Christian school coaches...

And don't get me started on church league. :mad:

Worst coach I had to deal with in AAU this past year is a Gideon.

I know...I HATE doing church leagues! :(

I have a Pastor who coaches 5/6 grade in my rec league. He's in his second year in the 5/6 league.

A nice guy and the most ribbing I got from him was last week when we were one official short and I switched gyms and came into his game about 2:00 into the first quarter....He says to me "Hey, don't you know the game started at 10:00!":D

If you have a pre-game with the coaches and captains, our assoc. recommends for all levels (7-12), then the pre-game can serve as a reminder/warning about behavior and what can happen. Some behavior, especially from just a few special coaches, will breed discontempt among the players and fans. I've seen some coaches acting like absolute true smart asses and they get just warnings from the refs; I don't know what prevents them from whacking them. These guys must have truly thick skin.

There are some really good guys out there too...I just have to agree with officials when they say that the church leagues/catholic leagues are the worst to officiate most of the time. I've been on all sides of basketball (player, coach, official) and I know emotions get involved big time...I've been REALLY frustrated with officials on the coaching side. However, even if they made the wrong call...all you can do is ask that they look harder at that call. I made mistakes coaching, I made mistakes as a player and I make mistakes as an official. As a sidebar...I know it's been posted here before, but...I think EVERY coach should be required to officiate some games...even at the lower levels...to get the feel for what it's like. :)

That was my point. Duh. :rolleyes:

Worst coach I had this year so far is a Fred, I think. Or maybe he was a Steve? I forget. :rolleyes:

SO Abby's not coaching this year?

;)