How shall we mourn?

Raymond · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 07:25am

Look who got fire!!!

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 07:28am

And people said that Hell wouldn't freeze over!

mick · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 07:38am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Look who got fire!!!

Maybe they couldn't fire him for age and lack of knowledge, and they made up another reason, which seems rather weak.

Raymond · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 07:52am

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Originally Posted by mick

Maybe they couldn't fire him for age and lack of knowledge, and they made up another reason, which seems rather weak.

The article doesn't say why he was fired. It says he was criticized for his on-air remarks but it doesn't say who leveled the criticism. I think he was probably already on his way out the door.

Mark Padgett · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 09:04am

He still has his game show - "Are You Smarter Than Billy Packer?" It's on TLN (The Loser Network).

Welpe · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 09:10am

Hopefully these firings come in threes. So, who is next? I'm hoping for Jay Bilas and Tim McCarver.

truerookie · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 09:18am

Wow!! don't know what the season is going to be like now that Packer is gone. Especially, the talk about how horrible he is. I guess I have to adjust the volume back on my televsion (stop using close caption).

Raymond · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 09:23am

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Originally Posted by truerookie

Wow!! don't know what the season is going to be like now that Packer is gone. Especially, the talk about how horrible he is. I guess I have to adjust the volume back on my televsion (stop using close caption).

Unfortunately we get him on RAYCOM for all the big ACC games but at least I won't have to listen to him after the ACC tourney.

grunewar · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 09:59am

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Originally Posted by truerookie

Wow!! don't know what the season is going to be like now that Packer is gone. Especially, the talk about how horrible he is.

I imagine we'll find someone else!

rainmaker · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 10:14am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The article doesn't say why he was fired. It says he was criticized for his on-air remarks but it doesn't say who leveled the criticism. I think he was probably already on his way out the door.

The article says that some people saw the comment "The game is over" as an indication to quit watching (change channels). I'd say that while all his other faults didn't matter, the bottom line (losing viewers) was the bottom line.

Raymond · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

The article says that some people saw the comment "The game is over" as an indication to quit watching (change channels). I'd say that while all his other faults didn't matter, the bottom line (losing viewers) was the bottom line.

Maybe they fired him b/c his dumb a$$ was wrong about the UNC/KU game considering UNC came back to within 4 points. It was just another example of Packer not knowing what he was talking about.

icallfouls · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 14, 2008, 01:25pm

How about?

"This career is over."

or for you Dallas Cowboy/MNF fans:

"Turn out the lights, the party's over"

Red Auerbach just lit another cigar

Raymond · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 15, 2008, 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The article doesn't say why he was fired. It says he was criticized for his on-air remarks but it doesn't say who leveled the criticism. I think he was probably already on his way out the door.

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

The article says that some people saw the comment "The game is over" as an indication to quit watching (change channels). I'd say that while all his other faults didn't matter, the bottom line (losing viewers) was the bottom line.

Looks like I might have been right. According to Neil Best at Newsday Packer's departure was already determined going into last season.

Adam · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 15, 2008, 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Looks like I might have been right. According to Neil Best at Newsday Packer's departure was already determined going into last season.

That makes it one of the best kept secrets in history; right up there with the landing site for D-Day.

Nevadaref · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 15, 2008, 06:08pm

COMMENTARY
The thrill had gone out of Billy Packer's game

The longtime announcer, who is being replaced in CBS' college basketball coverage, didn't seem to reflect the joy of the game as years went on.
By Diane Pucin, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 15, 2008
Billy Packer had become old-school -- and not in the good way of paying attention to detail or studying hard before he would go on the air, but in the way of a crotchety old guy who chases neighborhood kids out of the yard.

"Get off my grass, younguns," became "How dare the NCAA tournament committee let in all those Bradleys and Wichita States and George Masons instead of . . . (insert any bottom-feeder from the Atlantic Coast Conference).

Packer will no longer be part of the CBS college basketball broadcast team, it was announced Monday. In a statement, Packer, 68, said he was leaving to "pursue other basketball projects." He will be replaced by Clark Kellogg, 47.

Kellogg is knowledgeable, fair-minded and, most of all, seems excited to be doing college basketball.

Do a five-minute Google search on Billy Packer and you will find him described as "arrogant," "pompous," "imperious," a "blowhard," an "ACC apologist," "angry," "rude," a "fuddy-duddy" and "stubborn."

You will find stories that say Packer didn't cotton to cellphones and computers, though he wasn't quoted directly as saying he didn't own such gadgets. (And, as a matter of fact, I know people who have Packer's cellphone number.)

Packer, who played college basketball at Wake Forest, has been part of every Final Four television broadcast since 1975. His best years were when he was teamed with Dick Enberg and Al McGuire.

Packer's cranky complaints fit in well with Enberg's graceful descriptions and McGuire's emotion-based enthusiasm. (Even if McGuire didn't have command of all the facts, he still let you know he loved being at games.)

Having interviewed Packer, Enberg and McGuire (who died in 2001) dozens of times over the last 15 years, it was always fun to speak with Enberg and McGuire and intimidating to talk to Packer. Enberg and McGuire would stop, say hello, tell a story, praise a story. A hello to Packer might elicit a grunt in return.

Where it's hard to stay mad at Dick Vitale no matter how biased his views are for the fabulousness of anything Big East, ACC or Big Ten because he is genuinely excited to watch every college basketball game ever played, it seemed as if Packer was always wishing things were like they were in 1975.

His dyspeptic rant during the 2006 CBS NCAA tournament selection show, when he unapologetically savaged the choice of four Missouri Valley Conference teams, offered a couple of good points missed because of his red-faced anger. Oh, and no apology from Billy when Bradley and Wichita State went to the Sweet 16.

However, Packer did do some apologizing.

In 2000, he harangued a female student who asked him for a pass or credential before a game at Duke. Jen Feinberg, the student, said Packer told her, "You need to get a life. Since when do we let women control who gets into a men's basketball game? Why don't you go find a women's game to let people into?"

Feinberg received an e-mail apology -- apparently from a computer that didn't belong to Packer. He also apologized to Allen Iverson for referring to the then-Georgetown guard as "a little monkey." Packer said he meant nothing but praise for Iverson.

Then there was the March 2007 ACC game between Duke and North Carolina in which the Blue Devils' Gerald Henderson elbowed Tar Heels center Tyler Hansbrough in the nose with such force that Hansbrough left a bloody trail as he left the court.

Before watching the replay, Packer said with certainty that Henderson's elbow was inadvertent. However, video showed enough intention for the officials to issue a flagrant foul call against Henderson.

Even after the replay and the call, Packer refused to budge.

As Henderson was ejected, Packer said, "I don't like the call at all. . . . I think this was a poor piece of officiating. I didn't see any intent."

But more than an unwillingness to change an opinion, what stood out about Packer over the last few years was inability to project joy.

He had one of the most recognizable voices in NCAA tournament history but never sounded as if he was having fun.

I have a brother who is a college basketball wonk. He watches, DVRs, listens to every bit of college basketball that is available.

His reaction on hearing Packer is gone: "Good. He's no fun."

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