I don't get it

[Junker]

Ok, here's one for those of you that have coached and especially those of you who are coaches. Last night, we have a blow out going in our girl's game. Not completely out of hand, but the game was not in doubt at all. Late in the 3rd, the losing coach (who we haven't heard from all night) is chirping at me about a hand check. There was no displacement and the offensive player got where she wanted to go (east-west in this case) so I told him it was incidental and that's why it wasn't called. He asks for a time out to talk, I grant it. He starts to rant about the no call, I tell him to choose his words carefully. After a 10 second conversation, I walk away and he tells me, "You're wrong." and I call the T. He obviously wanted it. I just don't get what coaches think they are gaining from getting the T, especially in this case. It doesn't affect how I call the game, it certainly didn't fire up his team. All it did in my opinion was make him look unsporting and model poor behavior for his team. Can anyone enlighten me?

[Nevadaref]

Frustration?

[kbilla]

Exactly, frustration...he probably regrets it, but it felt good at the time!

[rockyroad]

Sometimes it's frustration. More often it's deflection. This way the coach can complain about how bad we were as opposed to dealing with the fact that his players weren't as good as the others, and he didn't do a very good job preparing them (also known as being out-coached). By a strict definition of the rule, you didn't call hand-checking, so he "had" to get that T to "protect" his players and now can tell everyone that you "hurt" his team...I believe the psychological term is projection.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Sometimes it's frustration. More often it's deflection. This way the coach can complain about how bad we were as opposed to dealing with the fact that his players weren't as good as the others, and he didn't do a very good job preparing them (also known as being out-coached). By a strict definition of the rule, you didn't call hand-checking, so he "had" to get that T to "protect" his players and now can tell everyone that you "hurt" his team...I believe the psychological term is projection.

Rock, I totally agree with what you just said. I've been in that situation before. I just smiled and walked away.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Junker

it certainly didn't fire up his team.

I've had a coach earn a T that did fire up his team. Maybe he was willing to try this tactic and accept the possibility that this method would fail.

Or maybe something else entirely.

Like my friend Paul says, "a million chinese won't give a **** tomorrow."

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I've had a coach earn a T that did fire up his team. Maybe he was willing to try this tactic and accept the possibility that this method would fail.

Or maybe something else entirely.

Like my friend Paul says, "a million chinese won't give a **** tomorrow."

I've done this when I was a GV coach. Sometimes I've done it to "fire up" the team. Other times - say in a blowout - it was to let them know I was still really behind them. I tried not to make it look bad - jumping up and down screaming - but I would keep at it until I got it if I wanted it. I had one game where I was adamant about my point. the official looked at me and asked it I wanted a T. I said yes. He got a funny look, then smiled and quietly whacked me.

I got what I wanted and neither of us raised our voice or did something to look stupid.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Like my friend Paul says, "a million chinese won't give a **** tomorrow."

Does that mean the other 1.2 billion will give a **** tomorrow?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does that mean the other 1.2 billion will give a **** tomorrow?

No, they're still uncommitted.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

No, they're still uncommitted.

What are they waiting for? A public display of compassion augmented by tears and a cracking voice?

[Nevadaref]

And a display of strong principles.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What are they waiting for? A public display of compassion augmented by tears and a cracking voice?

No, a poll. Maybe we should have one.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I've had a coach earn a T that did fire up his team. Maybe he was willing to try this tactic and accept the possibility that this method would fail.

Or maybe something else entirely.

Like my friend Paul says, "a million chinese won't give a **** tomorrow."

Shouldn't that be a BILLION Chinese?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Shouldn't that be a BILLION Chinese?

You realize, don't you, that if you're "one in a million," then there are 1,200 people in China JUST LIKE YOU.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Junker

Ok, here's one for those of you that have coached and especially those of you who are coaches. Last night, we have a blow out going in our girl's game. Not completely out of hand, but the game was not in doubt at all. Late in the 3rd, the losing coach (who we haven't heard from all night) is chirping at me about a hand check. There was no displacement and the offensive player got where she wanted to go (east-west in this case) so I told him it was incidental and that's why it wasn't called. He asks for a time out to talk, I grant it. He starts to rant about the no call, I tell him to choose his words carefully. After a 10 second conversation, I walk away and he tells me, "You're wrong." and I call the T. He obviously wanted it. I just don't get what coaches think they are gaining from getting the T, especially in this case. It doesn't affect how I call the game, it certainly didn't fire up his team. All it did in my opinion was make him look unsporting and model poor behavior for his team. Can anyone enlighten me?

He feels better now..........