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kbilla Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
4 minutes
ha ha this is what I was afraid of, I've heard some who say that it is half the period, and some who say it is either 3 or 4...something about putting 3:30 on the clock to start the period doesn't seem right, but it does follow the logic of OT being 1/2 of a regular period...

kbilla Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Gimlet25id
First of all you chop the clock as soon as the ball is legally touched...Rule 5-9-2..."If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched."

As soon as one of the jumpers touch the ball it is legally touched!

Not sure why you would need to know how much time ran off from the time it was touched to when it went OOB. The only time you might have to reset the clock on a jump ball is if the ball is tossed and neither player touches the ball & the clock starts to run. You would re jump with a reset clock then.
Interesting....I suppose I always read that section as starting the clock when the "tapped" ball is legally touched, not the "tossed" ball...honestly this seems inconsistent to me with articles 3 & 4...

just another ref Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
Thats the way I was taught long ago...however, it's not exactly something that is covered frequently, and I don't see it in the NF rulebook or casebook, so if someone has evidence to the contrary I'd be willing to listen...

5-9-2: ......when the tossed ball is legally touched.

jdw3018 Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
Interesting....I suppose I always read that section as starting the clock when the "tapped" ball is legally touched, not the "tossed" ball...honestly this seems inconsistent to me with articles 3 & 4...
The only way you don't start the clock when the jumpers touch the ball is if they illegally touch it. When they legally touch the ball, the clock starts.

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
Interesting....I suppose I always read that section as starting the clock when the "tapped" ball is legally touched, not the "tossed" ball...honestly this seems inconsistent to me with articles 3 & 4...
Two completely different scenario's! The clock still is starting once the ball is legally touched or touches a player inbounds.

just another ref Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
ha ha this is what I was afraid of, I've heard some who say that it is half the period, and some who say it is either 3 or 4...something about putting 3:30 on the clock to start the period doesn't seem right, but it does follow the logic of OT being 1/2 of a regular period...
5-7-3: The length of each extra period shall be four minutes. (or half the time of a regulation quarter for non-varsity contests)

kbilla Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by Gimlet25id
Two completely different scenario's! The clock still is starting once the ball is legally touched or touches a player inbounds.
I understand that it is two different scenarios...here is an interesting question, if a jumper taps the ball and it goes through the basket does it count?

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:18pm
The rule book is your friend. It will not hurt you or lead you the wrong way!

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
I understand that it is two different scenarios...here is an interesting question, if a jumper taps the ball and it goes through the basket does it count?
I believe this question came up on her before. If someone can find it please post the link. Yes it would count if you could call that a tap and not a catch and throw.

Any ball that goes through the basket from above counts unless its on a throw in or if the ball enters from below the basket and drops back through. How many points depends on the situation.

loners4me Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:27pm
I'll watch for a more experienced person to chime in but my gut tells me a tip from a jump ball that does in is not a field goal attempt and therefore not counted. I'll probably stand corrected shortly.

kbilla Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Gimlet25id
I believe this question came up on her before. If someone can find it please post the link. Yes it would count if you could call that a tap and not a catch and throw.

Any ball that goes through the basket from above counts unless its on a throw in or if the ball enters from below the basket and drops back through. How many points depends on the situation.
This would make sense then...it would make sense that the clock would only start when there is an opportunity to score a goal, that is all I was trying to verify with that question...just one of those bad habits developed long ago that nobody ever called me on in the dozens of camps I've been to (which leads me to believe that many others also do this wrong), or evaluations that I have had...probably b/c it has zero impact on any game, but definitely glad to get it straight, thanks...

jdw3018 Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:31pm
A try is not required to score points.

A legally tapped jump ball is a live ball. If it passes through the basket from above, it is scored regardless of whether it was by a tap or try for goal. If it is tapped by the player of the team who scored the points, it should be scored 3 points. If tapped by the opposing player, it would be 2 points.

That's how I read it, anyway.

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by loners4me
I'll watch for a more experienced person to chime in but my gut tells me a tip from a jump ball that does in is not a field goal attempt and therefore not counted. I'll probably stand corrected shortly.
Hope I'm experienced enough to clear this up with you..HA,HA

Rule 5-1-1 & 5-2-1

chartrusepengui Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref
5-7-3: The length of each extra period shall be four minutes. (or half the time of a regulation quarter for non-varsity contests)
true - but we've been told when any fraction of a minute occurs - go to the next full minute in our area. We do have "conference" of home schoolers that only use 7 min for JV qtrs and OT is 4 minutes there too.

bigbeardedbryan Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
true - but we've been told when any fraction of a minute occurs - go to the next full minute in our area. We do have "conference" of home schoolers that only use 7 min for JV qtrs and OT is 4 minutes there too.
My first JV game here in PA went two overtimes. (First overtime: scoreless, despite both teams combining for 22 FT attempts.) We used 4-minute quarters, but our interpreter was present, and instructed my partner and I that we were, in the future, to play 3-minute JV quarters. Regulation period here is 7 minutes. So I guess it's a "where are you and who's in charge" thing.


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