do we reset the clock
 

Beginning of the game last night. Two person crew and I'm the U. Jump ball goes up and is tipped opposite me, right down the division line. I chop when the jumper's touch it. It hits someone but i can't see who and neither can my partner so we rejump. I had the timer reset the clock to 6:00 (jv game). Second jump ball, jumpers touch simultaneously and send the ball down the division line and out OB opposite me. So we jump again and again I reset the clock. Was it right to reset the clock in both situations?

I'm assuming the ball went OOB. Anyway unless there was a clock malfunction you should have left the clock alone. Really no rule provision that would allow you to reset the clock unless it malfunctioned (I.E Clock running when it shouldn't or not running when it should)

Time ran off is time ran off!!!

Assuming you recognize that you shouldn't have chopped when the jumpers touched the ball...if done correctly, you would have chopped when it hit "someone", and the clock would have run....BUT, I suppose you would have to have definite knowledge of how much time ran off from the time the ball was touched to the time it went out of bounds in order to reset it at all...othewise I would have left it where it was even though I chopped when I shouldn't have - you must have definite knowledge to reset the clock to anything. From there, on the second jump ball, if the clock moved at all you could have reset it to where it was before you threw the second jump since you have definite knowledge that it shouldn't have run at all...

Are you kiddin me - 6 minute quarters for JV?

Yeah that is pretty pathetic, as I recall they run 8 in IL?? They even run 7 for the underclass stuff!

Yeah i thought i F'd it up. Crap.

and yes it went OB the first time as well.

What??? You mean you wouldn't chop the clock until the ball was touched by someone other then the jumper?

Speaking of which, what is the OT period in a 7 minute game? I have not had one in years since I haven't done much underclass stuff lately, but I do have a few on my schedule this year...is it 3 mins?

we've been doing 8 for JV/V 7 frosh and even some MS 6 for 6th and below. no wonder some of you guys can do so many games in one night :D

No.

You're saying that you don't start the clock until someone other than the jumpers touch the ball?

Half the time of a quarter: 3 and 1/2 minutes

4 minutes

Thats the way I was taught long ago...however, it's not exactly something that is covered frequently, and I don't see it in the NF rulebook or casebook, so if someone has evidence to the contrary I'd be willing to listen...

First of all you chop the clock as soon as the ball is legally touched...Rule 5-9-2..."If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched."

As soon as one of the jumpers touch the ball it is legally touched!

Not sure why you would need to know how much time ran off from the time it was touched to when it went OOB. The only time you might have to reset the clock on a jump ball is if the ball is tossed and neither player touches the ball before it hits the floor & the clock starts to run. You would re jump with a reset clock then.

ha ha this is what I was afraid of, I've heard some who say that it is half the period, and some who say it is either 3 or 4...something about putting 3:30 on the clock to start the period doesn't seem right, but it does follow the logic of OT being 1/2 of a regular period...

Interesting....I suppose I always read that section as starting the clock when the "tapped" ball is legally touched, not the "tossed" ball...honestly this seems inconsistent to me with articles 3 & 4...

5-9-2: ......when the tossed ball is legally touched.

The only way you don't start the clock when the jumpers touch the ball is if they illegally touch it. When they legally touch the ball, the clock starts.

Two completely different scenario's! The clock still is starting once the ball is legally touched or touches a player inbounds.

5-7-3: The length of each extra period shall be four minutes. (or half the time of a regulation quarter for non-varsity contests)

I understand that it is two different scenarios...here is an interesting question, if a jumper taps the ball and it goes through the basket does it count?

The rule book is your friend. It will not hurt you or lead you the wrong way!

I believe this question came up on her before. If someone can find it please post the link. Yes it would count if you could call that a tap and not a catch and throw.

Any ball that goes through the basket from above counts unless its on a throw in or if the ball enters from below the basket and drops back through. How many points depends on the situation.

I'll watch for a more experienced person to chime in but my gut tells me a tip from a jump ball that does in is not a field goal attempt and therefore not counted. I'll probably stand corrected shortly.

This would make sense then...it would make sense that the clock would only start when there is an opportunity to score a goal, that is all I was trying to verify with that question...just one of those bad habits developed long ago that nobody ever called me on in the dozens of camps I've been to (which leads me to believe that many others also do this wrong), or evaluations that I have had...probably b/c it has zero impact on any game, but definitely glad to get it straight, thanks...

A try is not required to score points.

A legally tapped jump ball is a live ball. If it passes through the basket from above, it is scored regardless of whether it was by a tap or try for goal. If it is tapped by the player of the team who scored the points, it should be scored 3 points. If tapped by the opposing player, it would be 2 points.

That's how I read it, anyway.

Hope I'm experienced enough to clear this up with you..HA,HA

Rule 5-1-1 & 5-2-1

true - but we've been told when any fraction of a minute occurs - go to the next full minute in our area. We do have "conference" of home schoolers that only use 7 min for JV qtrs and OT is 4 minutes there too.

My first JV game here in PA went two overtimes. (First overtime: scoreless, despite both teams combining for 22 FT attempts.) We used 4-minute quarters, but our interpreter was present, and instructed my partner and I that we were, in the future, to play 3-minute JV quarters. Regulation period here is 7 minutes. So I guess it's a "where are you and who's in charge" thing.

I suppose conferences / states canhave their own timing rules (see MN: 16 minute halves). Just recognize that what you've been told is contrary to the rules that most of us use.

Oh my! :eek: Do you recall the other thread in which we were discussing working college ball and not knowing the rules?!! :( The same applies to NFHS games.

Go read 5-9-2 immediately!