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[TD21]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Sorry, I have to agree with Rocky.

Know the time on the game clock and the shot clock. Know which way the arrow's pointing. Know the foul count for each team. Know the score. Know if there are subs at the table. Know who's in the game & their tendencies. Know how reliable the table people are. Know how many TOs each team has. Know whatever there is to know about the game you are working, including when players are in foul trouble.

It's all part of the job. No one's saying to use any of that information to not call the best game possible. We're saying being completely aware of the game you are working will enable you to call the best game possible.

Since Jurassic isn't here let me post for him! Show me the facts! I agree that all those things can be useful except how many fouls a player has. I don't have any facts to back up my claims that everything else can be useful but I know for a fact that you don't have the knowledge or the ability to apply the rules! Show me the facts, post your resume and then maybe I'll believe you. I'm actually just saying that, because I will never believe you because that means I'd have to change my ideas of what's right. And I'm always right because you can't show me the facts!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TD21

Since Jurassic isn't here let me post for him! Show me the facts! I agree that all those things can be useful except how many fouls a player has. I don't have any facts to back up my claims that everything else can be useful but I know for a fact that you don't have the knowledge or the ability to apply the rules! Show me the facts, post your resume and then maybe I'll believe you. I'm actually just saying that, because I will never believe you because that means I'd have to change my ideas of what's right. And I'm always right because you can't show me the facts!

Nope, put it down that I'm coming at this from a......wait for it........ college and above mentality.

Works for me too.

[JoeTheRef]

I don't see where the problem is having knowledge of whether a player has 4 fouls. I think the problem that JR and many of us have is when the poster stated that he wanted the table to notify him when a player has 4 fouls. IMO, nothing GOOD comes from that notification, perception wise. If the table is doing their job then they would will notify you when the player has 5 fouls. That's why you usually have the official scorer, as well as the visiting team scorer at the table. One of those guys are going to make sure the officials are notified when a player has 5 fouls.

There are many ways an official can know how many fouls a player has without being "NOTIFIED" (exception 5th foul). You have the PA announcer announcing the players fouls, you or your partner may be on the table side and hear the table (either scorer) telling the coaches that's "so many" fouls on so and so, shoot you can hear the assistant or somebody else on the bench tell the head coach that's 4 on so and so. But to have the the offical scorer notify you that a player has 4 fouls shouldn't be one of those ways of knowing. Again, my .02.

[TD21]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, put it down that I'm coming at this from a......wait for it........ college and above mentality.

Works for me too.

The only reason I said that was because so many people here who work only high school and below, which there is nothing wrong with, hadn't heard this before. My assumption then was that maybe its something that is only used at college and above. I personally use it in any game I work including if I were to go work a 3rd grade rec game. Its the way I officiate. But since most officials hadn't heard it, I said that I approach it from where I learned it. That wasn't a knock on anyway that doesn't work college basketball. There is a lot of informationtaught at camps by a lot of great officials out there. You would be suprised at what you could learn.