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[TD21]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The day that you stop worrying about what coaches think will be the day that you start learning how to become an official.


Or not....

I've heard this quote before and it is usually from an official who has been around awhile. I respect veteran officials and listen to what they have to say. Some stuff I use other stuff I don't. But in the case of worrying what coaches think? It's not being worried, its knowing how they are going to react. Just like you know how some partners are going to call the game and you have to adjust for that. Or knowing how players are going to play and you have to adjust for that. The coaches are no different. No two games are the same. And if you think you can go out there and treat every game the same then that is your right. I don't work that way. Different games bring different situation, different match-ups. Just like certain calls bring certain reactions from certain coaches. Knowing your personnel, as we've talked about, is very important. I never said I would anything about worrying about what the coach think. I just know how they will react in certain situation. The more information you have the better you can handle the situation. If you are prepared then you more than ready when these situations arise. Now if you want to say that is worrying about what a coach thinks go ahead. I call it preventative officiating. Some can see situations coming before they happen, and take care of it while others never see them coming and don't know how to handle them when they do.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by TD21

I've heard this quote before and it is usually from an official who has been around awhile. I respect veteran officials and listen to what they have to say. Some stuff I use other stuff I don't. But in the case of worrying what coaches think? It's not being worried, its knowing how they are going to react. Just like you know how some partners are going to call the game and you have to adjust for that. Or knowing how players are going to play and you have to adjust for that. The coaches are no different. No two games are the same. And if you think you can go out there and treat every game the same then that is your right. I don't work that way. Different games bring different situation, different match-ups. Just like certain calls bring certain reactions from certain coaches. Knowing your personnel, as we've talked about, is very important. I never said I would anything about worrying about what the coach think. I just know how they will react in certain situation. The more information you have the better you can handle the situation. If you are prepared then you more than ready when these situations arise. Now if you want to say that is worrying about what a coach thinks go ahead. I call it preventative officiating. Some can see situations coming before they happen, and take care of it while others never see them coming and don't know how to handle them when they do.

Knowing that a player has 4 fouls or you are cmoing down the stretch in a tight game can provide impetus for consciously-intense focus. I am sure that everyone here is at maximum focus at all times, but the study of psychology dictates otherwise. If I know a player, particularly a star player, has 4 fouls, or we are late in a tight game, I will be conscious of having "high certainty" on every whistle I blow. That means fouls are fouls, but borderline events probably won't be. My intent would be that all whistles in that situation would be pretty obvious to everyone. "High certainty" and not guessing are always our intent and goal, but in these two situations, executinng them is what makes officials great.

BTW, coaches select the post-season officials in every college conference I work. Coaches and AD's also had 100% of the input to selecting playoff officials when I worked HS post-season games. Offiicals not caring about coaches at all is like a playwright not being concerned with theater goers. It may be a noble idea, but you'll starve yourself making what you and your cronies perceive as great works, while "sellouts" wind up on Broadway. Those opinions are not wrong: Bob Dylan did just fine with it. But those are the rare exceptions, not the rule. Think about it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

BTW, coaches select the post-season officials in every college conference I work. Coaches and AD's also had 100% of the input to selecting playoff officials when I worked HS post-season games.

Okay, now it's my turn to call Bull Sh!t.
I'm not aware of any state that gives coaches and ADs 100% of the decision power on post-season assignments. Perhaps someone else can verify.

Nor was I aware of any college conference who selected their postseason officials this way. But, again, perhaps someone else can verify or discredit this statement.

In the meantime, it doesn't pass my BS detector.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, now it's my turn to call Bull Sh!t.
I'm not aware of any state that gives coaches and ADs 100% of the decision power on post-season assignments. Perhaps someone else can verify.

He did say "college conferences." That is not a state issue. You are probably right that 100% is a little much, but that does not mean it is not close. College programs do have a lot of say in who does and who does not work. After all the conference is made up of schools and they hire the supervisor. If they do not like the way the supervisor of officials handles or hires officials, they find another person that is willing to do the job the way they want to. Usually the conference trusts the job of the supervisor, but there are conferences that have gotten rid of the supervisor because they did not like the officials or the philosophy of hiring and maintaining the staff.

I can speak from experience. I have worked for two people that were eventually fired from what there conferences for that very thing.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He did say "college conferences." That is not a state issue.

Actually, Jeff, he said both. Here's his quote again:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

BTW, coaches select the post-season officials in every college conference I work. Coaches and AD's also had 100% of the input to selecting playoff officials when I worked HS post-season games.

He clearly claims that his high school experience was coaches and ADs having 100% of the say in post season officiating assignments.

[TheOracle]

Who else chooses? Anyone who chooses is directly accountable to coaches and AD's. One coach has a personal issue with you and wants you scratched? Happens to almost everyone. Five do? You have some self-evaluation to do, or you'll be staying home and losing games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Who else chooses? Anyone who chooses is directly accountable to coaches and AD's. One coach has a personal issue with you and wants you scratched? Happens to almost everyone. Five do? You have some self-evaluation to do, or you'll be staying home and losing games.

Classic OS post.

Say something that is demonstrably untrue, and when called out, revise history and try to convince us you meant something totally different.

Either that or you truly don't understand what you're talking about. 100% would mean coaches have total control. I'm willing to bet this doesn't happen anywhere.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Actually, Jeff, he said both. Here's his quote again:
He clearly claims that his high school experience was coaches and ADs having 100% of the say in post season officiating assignments.

Although we can always play games, look on Page 38 on this handbook for one of the high school leagues where I used to work. The officials association assigns officials for tournament game per input from the coaches involved. One coach picks one, the other coach picks the other. While I am certain that you will find exceptions to this in other areas, it is accepted at HS and college levels that coaches and AD's have virtually full control with respect to who works their games. HS State and NCAA tournaments may have different bodies for those specific events, but even for D-1 non-conference games the schools have the input per the game contracts.

http://www.seattleschools.org/area/a...ndbook0405.pdf

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

BTW, coaches select the post-season officials in every college conference I work. Coaches and AD's also had 100% of the input to selecting playoff officials when I worked HS post-season games.

Yes, Old School, you've told us all about that before. And you're just as believable with your new nom de net.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TD21

It's not being worried, its knowing how they are going to react. Just like you know how some partners are going to call the game and you have to adjust for that. Or knowing how players are going to play and you have to adjust for that. The coaches are no different.

The day that you stop worrying about how coaches react to one of your calls is the day that you start learning how to become an official. Obviously, in your case that day hasn't arrived yet.

You NEVER adjust your play-calling to account for a coach's anticipated reaction. You call the game without worrying about how ANYONE -players, coaches, fans, etc.- will react to one of your calls.

Officiating isn't a popularity contest.