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[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

......what you called before does not relate to what you will have to call in the future..........

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually they do very much relate. But then again just like TD21 said, you and I are coming at this from different levels of understanding.

What level of understanding would this be?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What level of understanding would this be?

OK, what levels do you work? How long have you worked those levels? What camps do you attend every year? What level of officials do your partner's normally work?

If you answer these questions, I can explain further.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK, what levels do you work?

varsity and below

How long have you worked those levels?

22nd year of jr. high and below......7th year as a registered official, which allowed me to begin calling varsity

What camps do you attend every year?

never been to a camp

What level of officials do your partner's normally work?

This question makes no sense.

I am certain that I have not reached the level where I post back to back statements that directly contradict each other, then look down on others for their lack of understanding. When I reach that level, hopefully Nevadaref will let me know, and I can take a year off or something.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

varsity and below

I only work varsity for the most part. I will work one lower level game this season.

Originally Posted by just another ref

22nd year of jr. high and below......7th year as a registered official, which allowed me to begin calling varsity

This is my 12th year of basketball officiating. This season I have worked 11 straight full varsity schedule seasons. The lowest total of varsity games I have worked in a season was 25 games and that was in my 4th season after I have moved to another area.

Originally Posted by just another ref

never been to a camp

I have averaged about 4 or 5 camps every single year I have been officiating. I attend at least 2 camps for the past 6 years or so college camps. I am also a clinician in my state in basketball.

Originally Posted by just another ref

This question makes no sense.

I am certain that I have not reached the level where I post back to back statements that directly contradict each other, then look down on others for their lack of understanding. When I reach that level, hopefully Nevadaref will let me know, and I can take a year off or something.

Every concept I have told you comes from camps and other officials that I have worked with on a consistent basis. Most officials that I work with now, either have college experience or have worked multiple years at the varsity level. It sound contradictory to you because you are probably working with people that might see the game as "every game is the same, here is where we need to stand on timeouts and here is what we do if we DQ a player." Most of my pre-games are about, "Who are the top players on the team? What do they do well (post player, perimeter player, and scorer)? What kinds of coaches do we have tonight and their personalities (legends, first year coaches, quite, animated)?" So if I am talking about the foul deferential or the number of fouls a particular player has that is important to me to prepare myself and the crew as to what we will have to deal with when we call 4 and 5 on a player. Or we will know what the answer is when a coach claims the he is getting screwed. I have been known to tell a coach when the foul total is drastically in one direction, "Coach, you are running a full court defense and they are running a zone and you are not attacking the basket." You will be amazed how many times that shuts them up because they realize you are into the game or they cannot argue with what is taking place in the game. To you fouls that a player has is completely different than foul totals between teams. To me they are in the same family of concern because both are things that coaches (right or wrong) focus on and tend to want to throw in your face when things are getting out of hand against them.

Now I think you do not completely get what I am saying because as TD21 said, you have not been exposed to the same things I have. You have not even attended a camp which tells me that you have likely not heard very experienced officials talk about philosophy. And often times you cannot get that at association meetings. We have an official in one of my associations that puts out an email and is on our website called "Advanced Officiating." He talks often about things that are not simple concepts and are beyond the scope of "making every call the same because every game is the same." You seem to buy into the fact that every call is the same and should be the same no matter what and that is OK with me. I understand that philosophy and I used to buy into big time. I have learned that I do not know everything and many of the things that have made other officials successful I can use. If you do not want to accept what I am saying (and I know Woody does not) that is OK. That just makes my approach to the game different.

Also another thing, you have never seen me officiate. I have never seen you officiate. All we are talking about here is a concept. I do not know any person in one profession that approaches the craft the same way. How I approach the game works for me. I know as a clinician when I tell an official something, they can and will reject what I tell them from time to time. If you want to perfectly understand, you probably need to attend a camp or several and you might hear someone else tell the story like I had to learn some things when I was at camp.

Peace