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Old Mon Dec 24, 2007, 11:13pm
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We have an infinite number of decisions to make in every game. If you draw all these lines and put all these restrictions on so many calls, it makes your job that much more difficult, and, in my opinion, opens you up to even more criticism.
I will say this, I am not a fan of being told how many fouls we have called on a player by the table. Once again, whether you like it or not, the fouls you call on players that are vital to a team are big to them. And if it is big to them, they will complain whether you like it or not. Having knowledge is never a bad thing, just like I pay attention to the foul disparity for teams. It does not mean I change drastically what I was doing during the other parts of the game, but if I have a 8-1 foul total, I want to make sure I am not missing the foul on the team that has 1 foul. It is very easy to do and focus. Just like you try to focus the last few minutes of a game, you can consentrate on not giving a cheap foul to a player that is key. I do not see why this is any of a bigger deal than knowing the styles of the teams you are officiating and adjusting to what you might call because you have certain styles playing the game.

I do agree that not everyone has the ability to do that and that is why many officials get themselves in big trouble because they might not know how to make decisions on the magnitude of the situations they have to officiate in.

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 12:10am
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if I have a 8-1 foul total, I want to make sure I am not missing the foul on the team that has 1 foul. ..........consentrate on not giving a cheap foul to a player that is key.

I do agree that not everyone has the ability to do that and that is why many officials get themselves in big trouble because they might not know how to make decisions on the magnitude of the situations they have to officiate in.

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So it's less important if you miss a foul on the team that has 8 fouls?
And it doesn't matter if you give a cheap foul to a player that is not key?

I suppose some of us lack your power of consentration.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 12:58am
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So it's less important if you miss a foul on the team that has 8 fouls?
And it doesn't matter if you give a cheap foul to a player that is not key?

I suppose some of us lack your power of consentration.
I did not say it is anything. You are the one trying to imply something because you seemed to not understand a basic statement. If I have a game that is going down to the wire and it is a one point game, my focus is a little different than a 40 point blow out. Whether you like it or not you need to officiate to the game you have in front of you. You have a perfect game 30 minutes and if you screw something up in the last two minutes, guess what they remember?

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 01:01am
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I did not say it is anything. You are the one trying to imply something because you seemed to not understand a basic statement. If I have a game that is going down to the wire and it is a one point game, my focus is a little different than a 40 point blow out. Whether you like it or not you need to officiate to the game you have in front of you. You have a perfect game 30 minutes and if you screw something up in the last two minutes, guess what they remember?

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In other words: "I skip right past the obvious questions inspired by my earlier "basic statements."
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 01:20am
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In other words: "I skip right past the obvious questions inspired by my earlier "basic statements."
Why is it such a hard concept to understand that I do not care what I just called, I have to focus on the rest of the game? If you screw up on your first call of the game do you harp on it the rest of the game? I don't.

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 01:38am
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Why is it such a hard concept to understand that I do not care what I just called, I have to focus on the rest of the game? If you screw up on your first call of the game do you harp on it the rest of the game? I don't.

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............ if I have a 8-1 foul total, I want to make sure I am not missing the foul on the team that has 1 foul.

That 8-1 foul total is a part of what you "just called," is it not?
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 02:03am
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That 8-1 foul total is a part of what you "just called," is it not?
Yes and whether you like it or not someone is going to complain about that foul total in that situation. They always do and always will. And if you continue to call fouls and the foul total becomes 15-1 and you called everything you were supposed to and did not miss anything you were not supposed to, then you are doing your job. It is no different than if you have a fight and tempers are running high, you make sure you get everything you can because you might want to keep other things in check so you do not have another fight. I do not know about you, but I officiate that way all the time and most of the officials I work with have a similar position. Hey, if you just call the game in a bubble and hope that nothing happens, that is your right to do so.

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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 07:28am
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Just like you try to focus the last few minutes of a game, you can concentrate on not giving a cheap foul to a player that is key.
Why not just concentrate on not giving a cheap foul to anybody? Works for me.
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Old Tue Dec 25, 2007, 01:42pm
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Why not just concentrate on not giving a cheap foul to anybody? Works for me.
If you call a foul on the 10th guy off the bench, no one really cares or is going to analyze what you just called. And that player was probably supposed to foul or give up a foul in the first place.

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