bench, players talking during free throw

[lpbreeze]

during a game is it just a violation if the opposing bench is talking shouting during a free throw. Or would it be a violation/warning and then a Tech? I saw a rebounder and the free throw shooter both talking trash before the shot.

[mbyron]

It would have to be some pretty aggressive talking to count as disconcerting.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

1)during a game is it just a violation if the opposing bench is talking shouting during a free throw. Or would it be a violation/warning and then a Tech?

2)I saw a rebounder and the free throw shooter both talking trash before the shot.

1) Yes, you can call a disconcertion violation if the FT is missed. If you felt that the yapping from the bench was also unsporting, you could add a "T" to the violation too.

2) Different situation. If you have two opponents trash-talking each other, call a double technical foul.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Yes, you can call a disconcertion violation if the FT is missed. If you felt that the yapping from the bench was also unsporting, you could add a "T" to the violation too.

2) Different situation. If you have two opponents trash-talking each other, call a double technical foul.

Perfect JR...and wonderfully explained.

But, now in 2) we have a false double foul. The 2 College partners, on a crew of 3, want to administer this differently than (what they believe) are NFHS rules.

The H.S. official wants to clear the lanes and shoot whatever FT's were going to be shot.

Then the H.S. official wants to go to the AP arrow for a Throw-in opposite table.

The 2 College officials want to come up with something close to NCAA rules since they say the rules "make more since", in these situations.

Sooooo, the lane is cleared and the FT's are shot. Since the last FT was made. The crew gives the ball to the other team on the endline because of POE.

Who got it right...the H.S. official or the 2 College officials?

[Kelvin green]

No one got it right.

Point of Interruption. period. Play on with what ever was going to happen...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Perfect JR...and wonderfully explained.

But, now in 2) we have a false double foul. The 2 College partners, on a crew of 3, want to administer this differently than (what they believe) are NFHS rules.

The H.S. official wants to clear the lanes and shoot whatever FT's were going to be shot.

Then the H.S. official wants to go to the AP arrow for a Throw-in opposite table.

The 2 College officials want to come up with something close to NCAA rules since they say the rules "make more since", in these situations.

Sooooo, the lane is cleared and the FT's are shot. Since the last FT was made. The crew gives the ball to the other team on the endline because of POE.

Who got it right...the H.S. official or the 2 College officials?

In FED, clear the lane and shoot the reminaing FT(s) for the personal foul. Then shoot the FTs for the T. Then give the tam not committing the T the ball at the division line.

In NCAA, clear the lane and shoot the FTs for the T. Then bring everyone back and continue the game with the FT(s) for the personal foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In FED, clear the lane and shoot the reminaing FT(s) for the personal foul. Then shoot the FTs for the T. Then give the team not committing the T the ball at the division line.

Hmmm...double technical foul...which team didn't commit a T?

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

No one got it right.

Point of Interruption. period. Play on with what ever was going to happen...

Correct.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Hmmm...double technical foul...which team didn't commit a T?

Sorry, I was answering Play 1. My mistake.

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In FED, clear the lane and shoot the reminaing FT(s) for the personal foul. Then shoot the FTs for the T. Then give the tam not committing the T the ball at the division line.

In NCAA, clear the lane and shoot the FTs for the T. Then bring everyone back and continue the game with the FT(s) for the personal foul.

If its a double t, wouldn't we just go to the poi which was the free throw?

If it was a lane violation, wouldn't we re shoot the throw?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

The 2 College officials want to come up with something close to NCAA rules since they say the rules "make more since", in these situations.

Make more since when? It makes no difference whether NF or NCAA has made more rules since a certain date, all that counts is whose rule set is valid for this game.

[Coltdoggs]

Everything is administered in the order of occurance correct?

SO....
You had the foul that created the 2 FTs for Team A
Then you have the double Ts

Clear the lane, Team A shoot the 2 FTS
Then shoot the 2 Ts

Then it's POI and it would be Team B ball, correct?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

Everything is administered in the order of occurance correct?

SO....
You had the foul that created the 2 FTs for Team A
Then you have the double Ts

Clear the lane, Team A shoot the 2 FTS
Then shoot the 2 Ts

Then it's POI and it would be Team B ball, correct?

There's no FT's for any double foul, including a double technical foul. You go to the POI, which is the FT's for team A.

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's no FT's for any double foul, including a double technical foul. You go to the POI, which is the FT's for team A.

I stand corrected and now that I think about double fouls I have whistled in my time (non Ts)...this makes sense to me.