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[kbilla]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

If defender had established LGP and was moving to maintain LGP and offensive player initiated contact then PC whether or not feet are set or is even facing O player - but if defender had not established LGP then it has to be a block even if you think the raising of the elbow initiated the contact because defender was not legally in position. In other words if the defender had not been there no contact would have been made - contact occurred because he arrived late.

I don't believe this is true. What if A1 is dribbling and B1 is running alongside, no LGP...A1 throws a forearm shiver off to the side and knocks B1 into the second row...are you saying that since B1 never established LGP that you are calling a block? Seems to be the same situation in OP, A1 initiated the contact with the elbow, LGP or not I have a PC foul...

[chartrusepengui]

What if A1 is dribbling and B1 is running alongside, no LGP...A1 throws a forearm shiver off to the side and knocks B1 into the second row...are you saying that since B1 never established LGP that you are calling a block? Seems to be the same situation in OP, A1 initiated the contact with the elbow, LGP or not I have a PC foul...

You're right - I wasn't visualizing it that way. I stand corrected - thanks

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by kbilla

I don't believe this is true. What if A1 is dribbling and B1 is running alongside, no LGP...A1 throws a forearm shiver off to the side and knocks B1 into the second row...are you saying that since B1 never established LGP that you are calling a block? Seems to be the same situation in OP, A1 initiated the contact with the elbow, LGP or not I have a PC foul...

LGP is only relevant for a block/charge play. When the contact involves the ball handler using his/her arm or hand, it is NOT a block/charge play. It is either illegal use of hands or a push....all still a player control foul but with no requirement for LGP.