Throw-In ends, huh

[NM_Ref]

I looked through the book...didn't find anything specific, but I'm gonna give it a go...

Team A is ready for throwin. A1 throws ball in and it is kicked by B1. There is a violation and A gets the ball back with the arrow.

vs.

Team A is ready for throwin, throws it across the court. Ball touches no one. Ball belongs to team B. Out of bounds violation and ball goes to B. B also gets possession arrow.

The kicked ball situation differs from the ball going out of bounds because you don't want to penalize the team with the throwin because of the defensive violation.

B would get the ball and the arrow because if you didn't give them the arrow, they would be penalized for A's violation.

Check rule 6.4.5
The opportunity to make an alternating-possession throw-in is lost if the throw-in team violates.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by NM_Ref

I looked through the book...didn't find anything specific, but I'm gonna give it a go...

Team A is ready for throwin. A1 throws ball in and it is kicked by B1. There is a violation and A gets the ball back with the arrow.

vs.

Team A is ready for throwin, throws it across the court. Ball touches no one. Ball belongs to team B. Out of bounds violation and ball goes to B. B also gets possession arrow.

The kicked ball situation differs from the ball going out of bounds because you don't want to penalize the team with the throwin because of the defensive violation.

B would get the ball and the arrow because if you didn't give them the arrow, they would be penalized for A's violation.

Check rule 6.4.5
The opportunity to make an alternating-possession throw-in is lost if the throw-in team violates.

Thanks both of you guys...now it's clearer....A AP throw in that doesn't touch anyone is a violation on the team with the throw in (9.9.2) therefore they lose the ball for the violation and the arrow (6.4.5).

Now I can go to bed, thanks fellas

[NM_Ref]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

Thanks both of you guys...now it's clearer....A AP throw in that doesn't touch anyone is a violation on the team with the throw in (9.9.2) therefore they lose the ball for the violation and the arrow (6.4.5).

Now I can go to bed, thanks fellas

good night...but now i can't go to sleep til i figure out what 9.9.2 has to do with it

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by NM_Ref

good night...but now i can't go to sleep til i figure out what 9.9.2 has to do with it

oops, sleep deprivation (9.2.2)

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

Thanks both of you guys...now it's clearer....A AP throw in that doesn't touch anyone is a violation on the team with the throw in (9.9.2) therefore they lose the ball for the violation and the arrow (6.4.5).

Now I can go to bed, thanks fellas

Since A1 caused the ball to go OOB, B gets a throw in at A1's original throw in spot, correct? Not where the ball goes OOB?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Since A1 caused the ball to go OOB, B gets a throw in at A1's original throw in spot, correct? Not where the ball goes OOB?

Right ruling, wrong reason. This was a throw-in violation, not an OOB violation. Therefore, the ball goes to the opponent at the original throw-in spot. (Rule 9, Penalty Section 2)

Also, the rule that the OP should cite for the questioning coach is the one which states when an AP throw-in ends.

6-4-4 "...The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends or when the throw-in team violates."

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Right ruling, wrong reason. This was a throw-in violation, not an OOB violation. Therefore, the ball goes to the opponent at the original throw-in spot. (Rule 9, Penalty Section 2)

Also, the rule that the OP should cite for the questioning coach is the one which states when an AP throw-in ends.

6-4-4 "...The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends or when the throw-in team violates."

Perfect, thanks!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Perfect, thanks!

And remember that the ensuing throw-iin by B isn't an AP throw-in. It's the penalty for A's violation. After B completes this throw-in the arrow should still be pointing to B's basket, for use in some subsequent AP sitch.

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Since A1 caused the ball to go OOB, B gets a throw in at A1's original throw in spot, correct? Not where the ball goes OOB?

We are using 6-4-5 The opportunity to make an alternating possession throw in is lost if the throw in team violates. If either team fouls during an alternating possession throw in, it does not cause the throw in team to lose the possession arrow.

This means that since team A didn't foul and there is a violation, there is it will be team B's ball and team B will have the poss. arrow the next time around. The throw in spot will be a spot throw in which will be where team A threw the ball in