Penalty for unauthorized leaving floor

[wanja]

Per case 9.3.3C below, does the offense receive the ball after an unauthorized leaving of the court by a defensive player during a try if a) the basket is scored and b) the basket is not scored?. The case ruling seems unambiguous (A will receive the ball). However, at our chapter meeting, there was disagreement if the offense should receive the ball after a made basket. The one point of agreement was that a patient whistle (holding until after the try is complete) would be advisable in this situation.

Case 9.3.3:


A1 and A2 set a double screen near the end line. B3 intentionally goes out of bounds outside the end line to avoid being detained by A1 and A2.Just as B3 goes out of bounds,A3's try is in flight. Ruling: B3 is called for a leaving the floor violation. Team A will receive the ball out of bounds at the spot nearest to the where the violation occurred. Since the violation occurred on the defense, the ball does not become dead until the try has ended. If the try is successful,it will count.(6-7-9 Exception d).

[jdw3018]

There is no abmiguity. If this violation is called while a try is in flight, A is going to receive the ball regardless of whether the try is successful.

[bob jenkins]

I agree that's the ruling. However, I think the next time it's called will be the first.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree that's the ruling. However, I think the next time it's called will be the first.

And maybe the last for that particular official......

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And maybe the last for that particular official......

So this is an A/D thing?

[wanja]

This is a violation that should not be called when the basket is made. However, the case indicates that the call has been made. If the whistle has been blown and the call has been clearly indicated (no opportunity to cite an inadvertant whistle), the official does not have the discretion to disregard the penalty. Well, maybe in a rec game where the pain of explaining would be greater than the potential pain of ignoring the rule.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by wanja

This is a violation that should not be called when the basket is made. However, the case indicates that the call has been made.

I could be wrong, but I think the case indicates that the call is supposed to be made. The rule is supposed to apply equally to offensive and defensive players, and is supposed to be applied immediately.

In real life, it's not going to get called very much, as Jurassic pointed out. But by the book, you're supposed to call it right away and give the ball back to the offense whether the try was successful or not.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

So this is an A/D thing?

the generally recognized concept is that advantage/disadvantage does not apply to violations. In the real world though, there might be a few generally accepted exceptions to the generally recognized concept. Certain situations pertaining to 3-seconds is one example. This situation might be another.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

There is no abmiguity. If this violation is called while a try is in flight, A is going to receive the ball regardless of whether the try is successful.

What is the word??? Could it be ambiguity????

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

What is the word??? Could it be ambiguity????

Nice catch...unfortunately, my hugely powerful brain moves faster than my fingers, rendering them unable to type letters in the correct order.

Er, something like that, anyway...

[swkansasref33]

so, what would be the signal for calling this?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

so, what would be the signal for calling this?

You mean the signal for "unauthorized leaving the floor" or for "I just screwed my career by calling that" ??

[swkansasref33]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You mean the signal for "unauthorized leaving the floor" or for "I just screwed my career by calling that" ??

haha. the former. im kinda curious as to what you would use

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You mean the signal for "unauthorized leaving the floor" or for "I just screwed my career by calling that" ??

HAHAHA!

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

so, what would be the signal for calling this?

After stopping the clock with the open hand, I would utilize signal 26 - basically pointing to the line where the player left the court, then give the directional signal. I would also verbalize something along the lines of, "24 blue, leaving the court."

At least, that's what I'd do while I'm thinking about it at my desk...