4-Point Play?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

It was still fairly early in the game and B already had [six] fouls. So when a defensive player reaches an arm all the way across an offensive player's body in order to prevent rebounding position, I fail to see how this will prevent future problems. He didn't just grab jersey - the arm was extended all the way across and it happened right in front of me. If they can't control themselves and avoid fouling at low speeds near the perimeter, I feel I'm only encouraging more contact at higher speeds and inside.

I too encourage a slow whistle to see how the play develops. It doesn't matter that it was right in front of you or that it was all the way across his body. If the play is just too rough or the game needs some calming down, call it quickly. Aside from that....see the whole play and the effect of the contact....if it made a difference, call it. It the shot goes in or the rebound doesn't come anywhere near them, don't call it....it's generally not a foul if there is no advantage.

[inigo montoya]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I too encourage a slow whistle to see how the play develops. It doesn't matter that it was right in front of you or that it was all the way across his body. If the play is just too rough or the game needs some calming down, call it quickly. Aside from that....see the whole play and the effect of the contact....if it made a difference, call it. It the shot goes in or the rebound doesn't come anywhere near them, don't call it....it's generally not a foul if there is no advantage.

Thank you for your opinion. At this point in my life, I am more concerned with calling the game in a way is consistent with the rules and in making sure that we maintain control of it for 32 minutes. If by definition holding is not reaching your arm across an opponent's body and impeding his progress so that he cannot occupy a position on the court he would otherwise be legally entitled to, then I'm not sure what is.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

Thank you for your opinion. At this point in my life, I am more concerned with calling the game in a way is consistent with the rules and in making sure that we maintain control of it for 32 minutes. If by definition holding is not reaching your arm across an opponent's body and impeding his progress so that he cannot occupy a position on the court he would otherwise be legally entitled to, then I'm not sure what is.

All of what you said is true, but what is missing is the concept of advantage/disadvantage. Contact alone doesn't make it a foul. The effect of the contact makes it a foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

Thank you for your opinion. At this point in my life, I am more concerned with calling the game in a way is consistent with the rules and in making sure that we maintain control of it for 32 minutes. If by definition holding is not reaching your arm across an opponent's body and impeding his progress so that he cannot occupy a position on the court he would otherwise be legally entitled to, then I'm not sure what is.

I don't mean this as offensive, but this mentality will only work if you are calling middle school girls games where nobody can work through some contact.

If you are working higher than this or want to, you need to learn to call based on advantage/disadvantage. Being consistent doesn't mean calling every bit of contact a foul.