is it a 3 or a 2

[pat richter]

A1 has pivot foot inside 3 point arc, and other foot outside the arc. A1 lifts the pivot foot to shoot, with other foot still outside the arc. Is this a 3 point attempt?

[paulis]

nope. both feet need to leave the floor from behind the 3 point arch for a try to be good for 3 points.

[BktBallRef]

Yes, it is. And it doesn't matter which foot is the pivot foot.

[paulis]

If a player is in the air his/her position is determined by where he/she was when they became airborn. If one foot was on or inside the arch when the player goes airborn, the resulting try is worth 2 points.

[BktBallRef]

He didn't say that he jumped.
He said that he lifted his pivot foot.
The other foot is still outside the 3 pt. arc.
If he shoots with the foot on the floor or if he now jumps off the non-pivot foot, we have a 3 pt. try.

[crew]

i give him 3

[Gochron]

I give him the three. Your position on th court is determined by where you last touched the court. Thus his one foot that is touching the florr is behind the arc.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
He didn't say that he jumped.
He said that he lifted his pivot foot.
The other foot is still outside the 3 pt. arc.
If he shoots with the foot on the floor or if he now jumps off the non-pivot foot, we have a 3 pt. try.

TH,once he lifts his pivot foot,all he can do is shoot,pass or call a TO.If he shoots,isn't the original position of his pivot foot a part of the try then?I looked at R4-40-1 and R4-43-3a and put them together.I came up with the player starting his try with one foot inside the line-therefore,no 3.I could be convinced otherwise,though.This is a good question.

[Danvrapp]

Let's look at it this way. Player A1 has one foot in the FC, one foot in the BC, and is holding the ball. A1 picks up the foot in the BC, does a complete 360 on his FC (pivot) foot, then puts his non-pivot foot back down in the BC. Does anyone not have a BC violation.

In other words, A1's position is based on his foot in the FC, not the non-pivot foot. Apply the same situation above to the three point scenario, and I think you'd get more votes to count the 3.

[RX Ref]

or does he touch the floor while he is doing his 360? I would have BC violation if he touched in FC several times before sting it down in BC again. I think that no one would argue if it was counted as a 3, a 2 or it happened fast enough peolple would be yelling for a travel also....

Originally posted by Danvrapp
Let's look at it this way. Player A1 has one foot in the FC, one foot in the BC, and is holding the ball. A1 picks up the foot in the BC, does a complete 360 on his FC (pivot) foot, then puts his non-pivot foot back down in the BC. Does anyone not have a BC violation.

In other words, A1's position is based on his foot in the FC, not the non-pivot foot. Apply the same situation above to the three point scenario, and I think you'd get more votes to count the 3.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Danvrapp
Let's look at it this way. Player A1 has one foot in the FC, one foot in the BC, and is holding the ball. A1 picks up the foot in the BC, does a complete 360 on his FC (pivot) foot, then puts his non-pivot foot back down in the BC. Does anyone not have a BC violation.

In other words, A1's position is based on his foot in the FC, not the non-pivot foot. Apply the same situation above to the three point scenario, and I think you'd get more votes to count the 3.

Dan,I see where you're coming from.In the same situation as above,if A1 picks up his pivot foot in the FC, A1 is still legally in the BC,by definition.He still has to shoot,pass,or call a TO,though, before the pivot foot hits.If not,it's a travel-not a BC violation.I'm just not sure if you can ignore the fact that A1 started a shot,by rule,with one foot over the 3-point line.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
TH,once he lifts his pivot foot,all he can do is shoot,pass or call a TO. If he shoots,isn't the original position of his pivot foot a part of the try then? I looked at R4-40-1 and R4-43-3a and put them together. I came up with the player starting his try with one foot inside the line-therefore, no 3. I could be convinced otherwise,though. This is a good question.

I gotta go with the 3. If one foot is behind the arc, no matter which foot, and the player shoots with one foot on the floor or jumps off that foot, I've got a 3.

5-2-1
A successful try,.....from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch line counts three points.

I believe this player is located behind the line. It's like Danvrapp said, if a player is stradling the division line with pivot in the BC, lifts his pivot, he's now in the FC. I don't think we can change the location of a player, based on whether he shoots or not.

[Danvrapp]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
In the same situation as above, if A1 picks up his pivot foot in the FC, A1 is still legally in the BC, by definition. He still has to shoot, pass, or call a TO, though, before the pivot foot hits. If not, it's a travel-not a BC violation. I'm just not sure if you can ignore the fact that A1 started a shot, by rule, with one foot over the 3-point line.

Jurassic - Based on your reasoning above (which I agree with 100%!), sounds like A1 is behind the three point arc!

If he's still in the BC when he picks up the foot in the FC (which he is), then he should still be behind the three point arc when he picks up the foot inside the arc - same principle applies. Assuming that A1 doesn't shoot at roughly the same time the foot inside the arc comes off the floor, looks like a 3 to me.

BTW, what makes you say that "A1 started a shot, by rule, with one foot over the 3-point line?" I didn't know you had to have two feet on the floor to start a shot???

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
5-2-1
A successful try,.....from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch line counts three points.

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The problem I got with this,Tony,is that the player above in 5-2-1 was located with one foot over the line WHEN he started his try-i.e.he had one foot over the line when he started to shoot.I think you apply a different principle than BC/FC on this sitch.This is an interesting one!Gotta go.I'll check in later,'cause I'm certainly not 100% sure on this.

[stripes]

I would give him 3.