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[Mark Padgett]

NF rules. A1 shooting a 3 pointer. While in the air but before the release, he is fouled by B1. After the release, but before returning to the floor, A1 is also fouled by B2. While the shot is in the air, A2 fouls B3. The ball, while traveling toward the hoop but not yet in the cylinder, is touched by A3. Also before the ball is in the cylinder, B4 grabs the rim and snaps it. The ball goes in. Immediately, Coach B yells out a profanity at you personally and when you turn your head, you discover A4 and B4 are both wearing illegal jerseys and Coach A is out of the box punching Coach B. What's the call(s)?

OK - it sounds silly and it would never happen (probably) but it's a good exercise in knowing and applying rules. Any takers?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

NF rules. A1 shooting a 3 pointer. While in the air but before the release, he is fouled by B1. After the release, but before returning to the floor, A1 is also fouled by B2. While the shot is in the air, A2 fouls B3. The ball, while traveling toward the hoop but not yet in the cylinder, is touched by A3. Also before the ball is in the cylinder, B4 grabs the rim and snaps it. The ball goes in. Immediately, Coach B yells out a profanity at you personally and when you turn your head, you discover A4 and B4 are both wearing illegal jerseys and Coach A is out of the box punching Coach B. What's the call(s)?

OK - it sounds silly and it would never happen (probably) but it's a good exercise in knowing and applying rules. Any takers?

My call is: Oh, no a clock error!! THere will be a suspended game with both teams going to their locker rooms while we tear the clock down off the wall and fix it. Meantime, some other refs will be called in to finish the game, since I have to hurry off to see my kid get his Nobel Prize.

[jdw3018]

Did A3 touch the ball before or after it reached the top of its arc? It's very critical to the discussion...

[Dan_ref]

Reminds me of the last time I worked with Chuck at camp a couple of years ago. His call then was for the crew to go have lunch and let A & B figure it out for themselves. He must have impressed someone with it...

[Indianaref]

Tell each coach "Thank you" and play on.

[mkiogima]

Assess a foul to B1, B2, and A2. Basket does not count because A2's offensive foul immediately ends the try, which also makes A3 and B4's actions null. Technical fouls on Coach B (profanity), A4 and B4 (illegal jerseys), and Coach A (out of the box). Coach A and Coach B are also disqualified from game (fighting). Four free throws to each team with Team B getting the ball for inbounds at half court. While my partner sits in the corner sobbing like a lost school girl.

You may now proceed with correcting me.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by mkiogima

Assess a foul to B1, B2, and A2. Basket does not count because A2's offensive foul immediately ends the try, which also makes A3 and B4's actions null. Technical fouls on Coach B (profanity), A4 and B4 (illegal jerseys), and Coach A (out of the box). Coach A and Coach B are also disqualified from game (fighting). Four free throws to each team with Team B getting the ball for inbounds at half court. While my partner sits in the corner sobbing like a lost school girl.

You may now proceed with correcting me.

You've got a couple of small errors in here, but the big one is reading any thread that Padgett starts. That's enough to get you thrown out of your association for life!

[jdw3018]

A2's foul does not end the try. A4 and B4 cannot be penalized for illegal jerseys because the ball became live after they were in the game. I won't disqualify Coach B, if he's just gettin punched on. If he's fighting back, then I'll have to.

At least, that's what I think...

[mkiogima]

You are right about the jerseys, I missed that one.

I think the same rules apply to a coach that apply to a player. If two players are fighting even if we see only one punch thrown, both players are to be disqualified. It doesn't matter who started it or even if the other player was fighting back, both are disqualified.

I wasn't entirely sure on wether or not an offensive foul immediately ends a try, I had a fifty-fifty shot on that one and I went with the least amount of work. I guess I'll have to go back and study the rule book.

Good review for when the HS season starts.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mkiogima

I think the same rules apply to a coach that apply to a player. If two players are fighting even if we see only one punch thrown, both players are to be disqualified. It doesn't matter who started it or even if the other player was fighting back, both are disqualified.

I guess it depends on how you define a fight. From your description it sounds like you're saying that if a single punch is thrown, both players are automatically DQ'd. I really hope that's the case, because I've got a bunch of guys at the end of my bench who are more than willing to throw a punch at your All-Americans to get them DQ'd for fighting. I think I'm on to something here

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mkiogima

If two players are fighting even if we see only one punch thrown, both players are to be disqualified. It doesn't matter who started it or even if the other player was fighting back, both are disqualified.

So if two guys are walking down the street and one comes up to the other totally unprovoked and punches him in the face, knocks him unconscious and then stands over him until the police arrive, they're both guilty of assault?

Huh?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mkiogima

I think the same rules apply to a coach that apply to a player. If two players are fighting even if we see only one punch thrown, both players are to be disqualified. It doesn't matter who started it or even if the other player was fighting back, both are disqualified.

Really? I strongly disagree. One player walks up and cold-cocks an opponent, knocking the opponent into the bleachers. The fight is stopped immediately by the instigator's teammates.

You gonna disqualify the player who is now sitting in the 2nd row and hasn't yet realized what happened?

Have fun explaining that to your assigner, state powers, and anyone who cares. That's a fast track to a wreck league career.

[jdw3018]

I'll give it a go, just for fun:

If A3 inadvertantly touches prior to the top of the arc:

The three-point try is successful.
A1 shoots 2 FTs (lane cleared) - one for each of the multiple fouls.
If B is in the bonus, B3 gets a one-and-one or two shots if the double bonus (lane cleared).
Technical foul on B4 for grabbing the rim. A shoots two free throws.
Direct technical foul on Coach B for the profanity. A shoots two free throws.
Flagrant technical on Coach A, ejected. B shoots two free throws, and gets the ball at the division line.

If A3 touches intentionally or after the ball has reached the top of its arc:

Disallow the 3-point basket
A1 shoots 4 FTs - two for each of the multiple fouls.
The remainder of the infractions are penalized as above.

Oh, and the illegal jerseys cannot be penalized until A4 and/or B4 leave and re-enter the game.

What did I miss?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

NF rules. A1 shooting a 3 pointer. While in the air but before the release, he is fouled by B1. After the release, but before returning to the floor, A1 is also fouled by B2. While the shot is in the air, A2 fouls B3. The ball, while traveling toward the hoop but not yet in the cylinder, is touched by A3. Also before the ball is in the cylinder, B4 grabs the rim and snaps it. The ball goes in. Immediately, Coach B yells out a profanity at you personally and when you turn your head, you discover A4 and B4 are both wearing illegal jerseys and Coach A is out of the box punching Coach B. What's the call(s)?

OK - it sounds silly and it would never happen (probably) but it's a good exercise in knowing and applying rules. Any takers?

Mark:

Are you off your meds again?

MTD, Sr.

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=Mark Padgett]NF rules. A1 shooting a 3 pointer. While in the air but before the release, he is fouled by B1. After the release, but before returning to the floor, A1 is also fouled by B2. While the shot is in the air, A2 fouls B3. The ball, while traveling toward the hoop but not yet in the cylinder, is touched by A3. Also before the ball is in the cylinder, B4 grabs the rim and snaps it. The ball goes in. Immediately, Coach B yells out a profanity at you personally and when you turn your head, Immediately, Coach B yells out a profanity at you personally and when you turn your head and Coach A is out of the box punching Coach B. What's the call(s)?

A1 shooting a 3 pointer. While in the air but before the release, he is fouled by B1. After the release, but before returning to the floor, A1 is also fouled by B2. [B](False Multiple Foul)[/B] penalize accordingly.

While the shot is in the air, A2 fouls B3. Common Foul ball is still live

The ball, while traveling toward the hoop but not yet in the cylinder, is touched by A3. The three attempt turns into a two unless A3 is behind the three point line.
Also before the ball is in the cylinder, B4 grabs the rim and snaps it. The ball goes in. Technical foul; score the basket for BI two points Team A shoots two for grasping of the rim
Immediately, Coach B yells out a profanity at you personally and when you turn your head. Unsporting Technical Two shoots for Team B

you discover A4 and B4 are both wearing illegal jerseys. Team A will shot 2 for the illegal jersey; Team B will shoot 2 for the illegal jersey.
and Coach A is out of the box punching Coach B. Double flagrant technical with both coaches being ejected for fighting. No free throws; Two free throws for team b for coach A being out of the box

So, I have team a shooting 4 free throws for team B be infractions;
I have team B shooting 6 free throws for team A infractions.

I have A-1 shooting 2 free throws for the foul committed by B1 because of the touching of the ball by A3; shooting 2 for the foul by B2 before returning to the floor fouling an airbourne shooter.

B's ball at division line for throw-in.

I have nothing else better to do so this is my call.