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Mark Padgett Sun Nov 25, 2007 08:58pm
The only time I ever say "Thank you" to a coach is when he buys foul insurance. Usually, my response to inane coach comments is "I'd answer you coach, but I left my English-Jibberish dictionary at home". :D

And Juulie - if you want a monitor to indicate "normal human communication" just think WWPS (what wouldn't Padgett say). ;)

M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:02pm
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Originally Posted by blindzebra
Your case wasn't close to what she was saying. By qualifying the thanks with an okay, you went from chatter to an actual conversation...much different than the coach saying 52 is getting rough and you run by with, "Thank you." Which would lead to the coach saying, "Well are you going to watch for it? RM than says, "Thank you." Seething now the coach yells, "What are you talking about?" RM says, "Thank you.
Try to keep up:

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Another response I use a lot when a coach is nagging is a very dispassionate "Thank you". <font color=red>If the coach asks a direct question, use a standard response. Otherwise say, "Thank you" and nod. This means, "I heard you". And that's all it means.</font color> "She's moving!!" "Thank you" "That's a foul!!" "Thank you" "They're all over us!!" "Thank you". You are acknowledging that the coach exists and that he's concerned about what's happening, and that's all. It really, really helps.
Too funny.

blindzebra Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:30pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Try to keep up:



Too funny.

What's really funny is what you quoted PROVED my point.

I'll make it painfully clear for you.

It doesn't matter what her intent is, it's how it will be perceived that matters.

A coach is either going to hear it and go, "What?" At that point you lose credibility because they aren't sure where you are coming from, because it doesn't make any sense.

Or that coach is going to take it as you being a jerk and showing him/her up.

Is either making the situation better?

Even it it doesn't hurt things there are many more sensible things you can do or say.

It's poor advice.

fullor30 Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:32pm
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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs
I had a T today that I'd like some feedback on....didn't really want to call it cause I'd not had much issue with the coach but but I felt the he put me in a bad position and basically challenged me....

First half team fouls were 9-4.....Early in the second half with team fouls 2-2.... ...Coach of team that had 9 in the first is barking about a no call I had at the other end on a rebound by his C.......As I set up at T to put the ball in, in front of his bench due to a tipped pass OOB... he asks me "Are you going to call any fouls on them today?"...Looking up at the scoreboard and seeing it's 2-2..I pointed to it...His response was "What does that mean?"...I said "Coach, it means we've been calling fouls on both ends of the floor....sit down and coach your team from the bench the rest of the game.

His response was "I'm NOT sitting down unless you T me up"

In 7 years, I don't think I've ever had a coach say that to me....They've certainly earned Ts from me...It's kind of along the lines of threating a coach with a T which I would never do but that's how I felt when he said it...Almost as if to see if I was willing to exercise my option to T....

SO what do you think...
I had a thirty year veteran today and he blew his whistle, stopped play, and told the coach to sit down for the rest of the game. No T, just sit down, and to make matters worse yells out, "this is just a sixth grade game" which set all the parents off.

T 'em up or forget it.

M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:33pm
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Originally Posted by blindzebra
What's really funny is what you quoted PROVED my point.
What point was that? :confused:

Why would you <B>not</B> answer a coach's direct question?

rainmaker Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:38pm
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Originally Posted by blindzebra
It doesn't matter what her intent is, it's how it will be perceived that matters.
How it's perceived when I say it to coaches is that I heard them, and I'm acknowledging what they say. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just acknowledging

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Originally Posted by blindzebra
A coach is either going to hear it and go, "What?" At that point you lose credibility because they aren't sure where you are coming from, because it doesn't make any sense.

Or that coach is going to take it as you being a jerk and showing him/her up.
You say "going to take it" and "going to hear" but those comments are strictly hypothetical. My real, actual on-the-floor experience with real actual coachs at several levels is that they perceive it the way I intend it.

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Originally Posted by blindzebra
Even it it doesn't hurt things there are many more sensible things you can do or say.
It isn't non-sensical. I am thanking the coach for giving me information, Coach hears what I say as acknowledgement. How is that nonsense?

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Originally Posted by blindzebra
It's poor advice.
You don't like it. That doesn't make it poor advice. I hope you are more open-minded and solution-oriented when you teach your newbies.

rainmaker Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:41pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
I think he is saying he would answer a direct question - a blanket answer of "Thank you" just isn't a good answer.
Rockyroad's example was different than what Juulie said.
And I answer a direct question with a direct answer. I don't use a blanket answer of "Thank you" to any and all coach sayings. I put three in a row in my original recommendation not because that's all I ever say, but to show some different examples. Sheez, I don't just keep throwing back "THank you" no matter what, and dammm the consequences. Is that how you're reading that post?

M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:42pm
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Originally Posted by tomegun
I think he is saying he would answer a direct question - a blanket answer of "Thank you" just isn't a good answer.
Rockyroad's example was different than what Juulie said.
Actually, go back and read what Juulie said - I highlighted it in red. She also said to answer a a direct question.

M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:43pm
Whoops, you're back.

Carry on. :)

rainmaker Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:45pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Whoops, you're back.

Carry on. :)
Hey, I can always use all the help I can get. I appreciate the support! ALthough, I gotta admit, this one's a lot easier that some I've gotten into. He's clearly just being.... oops, nope. Not gonna go there.

Jurassic Referee Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You need to lower your standards when dealing with <font color = red>us</font> Cretins, Juulie.
What do you mean <b>"us"</b>?

M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
What do you mean <b>"us"</b>?
I'm sure he meant everyone on this forum.

Jurassic Referee Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:08pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I'm sure he meant everyone on this forum.
And in the 49 other states and D.C.?

M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
And in the 49 other states and D.C.?
Of course.

Even Kansas/Hell.

rainmaker Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I'm sure he meant everyone on this forum.
Except me, Rita and Karin.


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