Most difficult level to call (?)

[Peter Devana]

I wonder how many people who monitor this board are in a position to influence some of our members progression as referees? If there are and I expect so then JR better hope that they are not in his chain of command- but I suspect some are. I know of several very influential people who monitor this forum but rarely post but when they do they are very succint and to the point.
Just a thought
Pistol

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Peter Devana
I wonder how many people who monitor this board are in a position to influence some of our members progression as referees? If there are and I expect so then JR better hope that they are not in his chain of command- but I suspect some are. I know of several very influential people who monitor this forum but rarely post but when they do they are very succint and to the point.
Just a thought
Pistol

I do not have a chain of command. I am not in one of those states where you live and die by one group, or one individual. So who cares. Because the reality, I work for many assignors that make big differences between girls and boys. As a matter of fact, there are many assignors that I work for that think that officials that do girls, should not do boys. And those assignors that have asked me to do girls, ask me as if all I will say is no. And you will literally have some assignors that will classify certain guys as "girls officials" and will not hire them for their boys varsity conferences.

See, we here are completely independent. I personally next year will be working in about 20 conferences across the state. And I work for about 6 different assignors that assign about 8 conferences between them. Two of them assign the girls and would not even dare ask me, not because I would turn them down, because they do not want there officials doing many girls games. One assignor is the only one that asked me to do any, but they are very early in the season when the girl's seasons starts, which is before the boy's season. And he did give me a game that was early in the afternoon, but I had a boy's varsity game that evening. So he gave me girls games total. Neither able to affect my boy's schedule.

What an assignor sees here would be the same attitude that they have about their own conferences and tell the officials that want to work for them. And when I tell other assignors who I work for, they usually ask, "would you be willing to do girls?" So in the end who cares.

I work where I want, work for who I want and work when I want. Actually, I took on games that I did not have to do because I was asked. As a matter of fact, I am asked a lot. And I turn down many games because of the circumstances.

See, if you are afraid to say something in the dark, you should not be afraid to say it in the light. Because it will eventually come to light. I am not afraid of either. What I say here, I will say in a crowded association meeting. And considering where I live, I might have many that would say it before me.

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Feb 3rd, 2002 at 01:54 PM]

[rainmaker]

I think the hardest game to ref is the one where the coaches and parents are blaming the refs for the bad play. It doesn't matter what level it is. As long as the adults are holding the kids responsible for the game, it goes pretty well. But when the adults are yelling about how "that was a great play" even though she knocked the other player to the floor, and "bad call, ref, honey don't worry about it" the game just gets worse and worse.

Does it sound like I had a bad day at the gym?. ...

Don't worry, I'll feel better after I sleep it off (and talk to my assignor -- not you, Howard)

[bluezebra]

"Rut" is a good name. He's in one. He doesn't like youth, he doesn't like girls' games. Why in the world does he officiate those games if he has prejudices against them going in?

Bob

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by bluezebra
"Rut" is a good name. He's in one. He doesn't like youth, he doesn't like girls' games. Why in the world does he officiate those games if he has prejudices against them going in?

Bob

You are right, I hate kids. So much that I spend time in communities that you would never be caught dead in. I hate kids so much, that I never counseled kids about being better human beings and staying off drugs and out of gangs. I spend much more time with young people outside of a stupid court or field that you would not know what to do with yourself. And those that I have met through the arena of sports, I talk to them about college and what they are going to do outside of this arena. I have went out of my way to complement kids about their leadership ability and the positive things they displayed on the court, but stressed to them that athletics is wonderful, but you need to have other things to look forward too. And I tell them and show them ways they can be a positive force in their communities.

Sorry, I hate kids so much that I have sat in the rough places of Chicago and will coach a group of kids this summer baseball in a community that you would probably be too afraid to drive your stupid car in.

So what the hell am I prejudice of? I have done more with my little pinky than you will do in your entire life. And I am always willing to work with children to make their lives better. I was blessed with parents that are educated and never had to suffer a day in my life, and I want to give kids some hope that do not have parents or stable homes. Shut the hell up trying to tell me what kind of prejudices I have with some kids that you would probably lock your car if one of them walked by you.

What community or children have you tried to change today? But I am the one prejudice against them. Who the hell am I going to be prejudice of. I should be prejudice against these little privledged *** kids in the community that I currently live where there parents drive several $40,000 cars a second care.

And for your information, the kid I was talking to was BLACK!!! Because I am another African-American male, and care much more about how he is treated me, because in the end, when his athletic ability is not at use, the rest of you will throw away him as fast as you picked him up. I talked to him to make sure that he understood who the hell I was, because if he talked to me the same way on the street as he did me, he might not have any chance to take back those words. I am probably getting too deep for you, but then again, your life is wrapped up in officiating. Mine is not. I have a much higher calling in life than a stupid game.

Peace

[crew]

Originally posted by JRutledge
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And for your information, the kid I was talking to was BLACK!!! Because I am another African-American male.... [/B]

i thought you were black first-----just kidding i remeber this from another post.

rut,
dont worry, deep down who really does like to ref girls game for the pure enjoyment! (nobody) myself, i look at these games as a stage to practice for the better games and also everyone has to work these games every now and then, its called paying your dues!

[Tim Roden]

Couple groups. Sophmores, boys and girls. You are usually in an empty gym with players they can't put on the JV or Varisty teams yet are not freshman. The other would be youth girls. When ten girls are within 10 feet of each other then incedental contact does happen.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by crew
rut,
dont worry, deep down who really does like to ref girls game for the pure enjoyment! (nobody) myself, i look at these games as a stage to practice for the better games and also everyone has to work these games every now and then, its called paying your dues!

Actually, a good girls game is as much fun as, or more fun than a good boys game to work. The two games, played at their best, are very different, and each had its pleasures. Each game played poorly, is no fun at all. I feel sorry for you, Rut and crew, for not having good girls games in your area. Those of us in Portland are blessed with a very high level of girls bball, because of the challenge presented to teams in the area, by the Oregon City HS team which has been ranked nationally in the top 10 for the last 10 years or so. Because of OCHS, we have many, many very fast, skilled teams locally, and we draw such teams from around the region to our tournaments. It is good for us refs, too, since we get more opportunities to see good girls play, and more practice.

Now if our women's team could do as well (Fire in 2002!!)...

You guys may be good, but until you can do a great girls game, you won't be great. Sorry...

[Hawks Coach]

I hope everyone noticed that I did not reply to Rut, because I believe that his opinion was requested on this issue. However, crew, your question about "who wants to ref a girls game" has quite a simple answer. Many, many officials. There are also many, many officials who do not wish to do so. So be it.

I am fortunate in my experiences with girls basketball, I guess primarily because it is strong in this area and I work with AAU. All of my AAU players start for their school teams. Most AAU teams are like an area all-star team, and the caliber of play at the AAU A level even in MS is quite good. One 13U girls team played in the 8th grade boys travelling league and posted a winning record (my boys beat them but it took our best game of the season). The top team in our region won 13U nationals, and it wasn't the team that played in the boys league (they made nationals but did not place in the top 16). Most of these girls will be D1 women's players and all of them can play ball. They can't dunk, but they can handle a ball, shoot, run the break, etc.

[Peter Devana]

Right on Hawkes coach!!!
Here in Victoria BC we have excellent Girls BB at all levels and we entertain many superb AllStar groups from the Seattle area and all down the coast who visit during school breaks and in the off season. They come complete with parents, cheerleaders , fans etc and have a blast playing and visiting our city, especially since their US dollar gets about $1.63 Can. Sure makes for a cheap trip to Canada's # 1 tourist destination.
I personally love the opportunity to work those games as does the great majority of our highest rated officials. The level of play is excellent and the local teams win their fair share of the games. Come on up and rate our teams and officials. You may be surprised.
Pistol

[Peter Devana]

Hi Again ,
I just looked up the next girls invitational in Victoria on
http://www.usjn.com/master.htm
Brett Wescott is hosting this top invitational 2-3 June 2002 in Victoria. Cost is $225 (Can) I think. Age levels 13-17. His Ph # (250)388-9807. Contact him.
If there are any referees out there who like good girls ball and regularly work those age groups contact me and we will host you too!!! Contact me at [email protected]
Pistol

[Peter Devana]

PS,
I also noticed he is hosting HS/JV girls on the 6-7 June as well. Come on up for the whole week!!!
Pistol

[Brad]

Everyone -- you are going to have to knock off the personal attacks... It serves no good purpose.

I've deleted some of the comments and responses (even those in and of themselves were not deragatory, simply retaliatory).

Get back to discussing basketball... If you don't like someone, simply keep it to yourself.

Thanks,
Brad