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M&M Guy Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:18pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
How does one handle that scenario? ;)

I would be on the sidelines throwing up.

I don't do too well in anti-gravity situations. :)

Nevadaref Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:26pm

Seriously this is a 1 in a google play, but let's consider the possibility.

Say the shooter is Spud Webb and that the try was taken from very near the basket so that it could end rather quickly and be tapped by a tall teammate right away.

This is just an intellectual exercise anyway.

Ralph Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:29pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
BTW since we all agree that A1 was an airborne shooter when fouled, the terminology above is also a slight inaccuracy. But since you're new here and not yet accustomed to our nitpicking, we'll give you a free pass on this one. ;)


OOPs, my bad.

Ralph Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:31pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Hey let's change this in just one way and consider another strange, but instructive sequence!

A1 jumps into the air to try for goal. B1 has obtained a legal guarding position on the floor prior to A1 going airborne. A1's try is clearly short and has fallen below the level of the ring when A5 taps it into the basket. The ball has left A5's hand on the tap BEFORE A1 crashes into B1 prior to returning to the floor.

How does one handle that scenario? ;)

Yikes. I suppose one view would be a personal foul and the basket counts. no team control. Try ended. Airborne player is no longer an airborne shooter.

Nevadaref Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:37pm

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Originally Posted by Ralph
Yikes. I suppose one view would be a personal foul and the basket counts. no team control. Try ended.

And another view might be to consider what type of foul occurs when the airborne shooter fouls (not intentionally or flagrantly). ;)

Nevadaref Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:38pm

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Originally Posted by Ralph
Airborne player is no longer an airborne shooter.

When does a player cease to be an airborne shooter? 4-4-1 :D

Ralph Sun Nov 25, 2007 09:48pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
When does a player cease to be an airborne shooter? 4-4-1 :D

When he returns to the floor. But in this case I suppose when there is no longer a try - when the subsequent tap started?? Unless they can levitate this would be the only sitch I can think of where a try would end before he returned to the floor. That's why I think a ref could say it was an alley oop pass and not an attempt. :confused:

4-1-1 says when released the ball "on a try". In this sitch it is no longer a try or could be argued it never was. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

Nevadaref Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:36pm

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Originally Posted by Ralph
When he returns to the floor. But in this case I suppose when there is no longer a try - when the subsequent tap started?? Unless they can levitate this would be the only sitch I can think of where a try would end before he returned to the floor. That's why I think a ref could say it was an alley oop pass and not an attempt. :confused:

4-1-1 says when released the ball "on a try". In this sitch it is no longer a try or could be argued it never was. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

You know the rule; you cite the rule, yet you then want to suppose something else. WHY? :confused: I don't understand the need to try to fabricate something new.

For example:

If A1 goes airborne and releases a try for goal that is blocked by B2, but then A1 charges into B1 would you say that since the try had ended that this was not a PC foul? Would you award the bonus at the other end?

What if A1's try is goaltended by B2 and then B1 fouls A1 while he is still airborne?

mbyron Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:35am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Seriously this is a 1 in a google play, but let's consider the possibility.

Google is an internet company (ticker GOOG). The number 10^100 is googol. Thank you for your attention to this small matter.

Oh, and the Russian novelist is Gogol. ;)

Adam Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:46am

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Originally Posted by Ralph
When he returns to the floor.

Should have stopped there. He ceases to be an airborne shooter when and only when he returns to the floor.
Otherwise, if it was when the try ends, it would cease as soon as the shot was blocked, or the dunk went through, or....

Dan_ref Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:55am

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Google is an internet company (ticker GOOG). The number 10^100 is googol. Thank you for your attention to this small matter.

Oh, and the Russian novelist is Gogol. ;)

...and a googly is something they do in cricket. Kinda like a slider I think.

M&M Guy Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:00am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
...and a googly is something they do in cricket. Kinda like a slider I think.

I thought googly is what I get when I watch Michelle Pfeiffer.

Dan_ref Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:06am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I thought googly is what I get when I watch Michelle Pfeiffer.

no that's gooey

M&M Guy Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:07am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
no that's gooey

Huh.

I thought gooey had something to do with Twinkies.

Nevadaref Mon Nov 26, 2007 09:35pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Google is an internet company (ticker GOOG). The number 10^100 is googol. Thank you for your attention to this small matter.

Oh, and the Russian novelist is Gogol. ;)

Thank you, coach.

(That one's for rainmaker. :D )


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