College Ruling Please

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Ahhh I see what you are saying. Are you saying that since the ball was dead when the ball passed through the net that you have an intentional T on A2? The situation doesn't say, but I assumed that this was a common foul, but I guess it depends on what he means by "as the ball is passing through the net"...if the ball was through, then I hope the contact causing the foul was execessive, otherwise he should have passed on it altogether...since he didn't elaborate, I assumed it was just a common foul that occurred just before the ball passed through (live ball)...

I only thought of this as a common foul based on the description. And he did not say the ball was dead. If the ball was dead, that still does not change my answer. That being said the direct T is still a POI application and if you decide to call another T for that foul by B3 is accused of committing, then you still would shoot the Direct T FTs first and then do whatever you had to do to put the ball back in play. If you call a T that requires the ball to be put back in play at the division line, that does not trump that a Direct T in Men's basketball is still a POI foul (live or dead ball).

Peace

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I only thought of this as a common foul based on the description. And he did not say the ball was dead. If the ball was dead, that still does not change my answer. That being said the direct T is still a POI application and if you decide to call another T for that foul by B3 is accused of committing, then you still would shoot the Direct T FTs first and then do whatever you had to do to put the ball back in play. If you call a T that requires the ball to be put back in play at the division line, that does not trump that a Direct T in Men's basketball is still a POI foul (live or dead ball).

Peace

Agree with you, at the risk of misinterpreting what Bob was thinking (Bob correct me if i am wrong), i think he was thinking that the foul by A2 was dead ball...which assuming it was excessive (non-flagrant) contact it would be an intentional T, not direct...then with the direct on the coach, you have a false multiple which you would administer in the order of occurence...shoot the intentional T first, then shoot the direct on the coach, then go POI which in this case would be B's ball at division line for the initial intentional T by A2...but again I thought the foul by A2 was common and none of this matters...did I get that right?

[Adam]

Not that it matters with two Ts, but wouldn't you shoot the direct T on the coach first and then resume with POI, which is the free throws for the intentional T?

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not that it matters with two Ts, but wouldn't you shoot the direct T on the coach first and then resume with POI, which is the free throws for the intentional T?

Why would you do this rather than order of occcurence? You are right, in effect you end up in the same place...

While we are on the subject of NCAA technical fouls, does anyone have an easy way of remembering which T's are shot by the "offended player" and which ones anyone can shoot? Being new to college with a whopping 3 games under my belt, it is a lot to try to memorize...thanks!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Why would you do this rather than order of occcurence? You are right, in effect you end up in the same place...

My understanding is you either do POI or "order of occurance," not both. In effect, doing it your way would be a hybrid of POI and OOC.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My understanding is you either do POI or "order of occurance," not both. In effect, doing it your way would be a hybrid of POI and OOC.

But i am referring to POI only as the method of putting the ball back in play whereas order of occurence would be the order in which you would administer the penalties..aren't they two seperate issues? Isn't the POI on the direct T (which came second) ball at division line since that was the result of the intentional T (which came first)? My understanding on POI was that it is whatever it is at the time when the foul occurs...in this case POI at the time of the direct T was you shooting the intentional T and giving B the ball at division line...unless I am totally missing this...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kbilla

But i am referring to POI only as the method of putting the ball back in play whereas order of occurence would be the order in which you would administer the penalties..aren't they two seperate issues? Isn't the POI on the direct T (which came second) ball at division line since that was the result of the intentional T (which came first)? My understanding on POI was that it is whatever it is at the time when the foul occurs...in this case POI at the time of the direct T was you shooting the intentional T and giving B the ball at division line...unless I am totally missing this...

You are correct.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Why would you do this rather than order of occcurence? You are right, in effect you end up in the same place...

While we are on the subject of NCAA technical fouls, does anyone have an easy way of remembering which T's are shot by the "offended player" and which ones anyone can shoot? Being new to college with a whopping 3 games under my belt, it is a lot to try to memorize...thanks!

8-2 provides some pretty good guidance -- and it's not that hard to remember.