gotcha, thanks...so in reality we have two rules to accomplish what one rule could have done? trying to think of a situation where there is a live ball not inbounds, teammate of thrower is out of bounds and you don't have a violation? other than following a made basket...??:confused:

You have called leaving the court for an unauthorized reason a ton of times? Really? I don't think I've ever called it.

As to the inbounder on the sideline - we were talking about a violation on a player for being OOB other than on the end-line during a non-designated end-line throw-in.

If a teammate is OOB during a designated-spot throw-in, it's a violation under 9-2-11 which applies directly to designated-spot throw-ins.

My point was only that the violation for leaving the court for an unauthorized reason should not be different whether the ball is being inbounded or if it's already in play in bounds. The criteria are the same.

IOW, if they do something you wouldn't call during regular play, you shouldn't call it during a throwin since the rules are the same. (except for the throwin provisions).

[QUOTE=jdw3018]You have called leaving the court for an unauthorized reason a ton of times? Really? I don't think I've ever called it.

absolutely, most common situation is where you have a screen near the end line and offensive player runs around it out of bounds....doesn't happen every game by any stretch, but a couple of times each season....

9-2-11 essentially says there is no authorized reason to be out of bounds during a spot throwin unless you're the thrower.
The other rule allows for "authorized reason."

Well, if we're going to apply 9-3-3 A Player shall not leave the floor for an unauthorized reason, we would have to agree that just stepping on the line is a leaving the floor without authorization. I don't agree with that definition.

Agree with you, seems like there are two rules when one would suffice..

I guess I just haven't had that in my games...screens generally aren't that low in Kansas! :D

I disagree. :)
During an end-line throwin, only one of these rules is in effect.
During a spot throwin, there is no authorized reason for a teammate of the thrower to be out of bounds. Restrictions are tighter then, IMO.

Would you apply 9-3-3 if, during a play, A2 is makes a cut near the sideline and his foot touches the sideline? Is that leaving the court for an unauthorized reason?

Right, but all you would need is one rule with an exception....no leaving for an unauthorized reason during a live ball EXCEPT a teammate of a thrower during an end line throw-in following a made basket....we get to the same place...:)

Technically yes, in reality no f'ing way. There has to be some advantage gained to that player going out of bounds before I will call it....or it has to be so blatantly obvious that I have no choice..

That exception doesn't need to be there, because the teammate of the thrower is leaving the court for an authorized reason.

:confused: He is authorized in that case??

I guess I don't agree with your definition.

To me, "leaving the court" and "being OOB" are two different things. To be OOB is to touch the boundary in any way. To "leave the court" is much more a judgement call, IMO. That's why I see a need for both 9-2-11 and 9-3-3. A teammate touching OOB at all during a throw-in is a violation. In other live-ball cases, in my judgement, it's not necessarily a violation.