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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That one is simple. The person in charge of your conference is wrong.

Actually you are incorrect. The CCA Requirement is only for Division 1 officials. Other can follow if the choose when or how they can apply their own standards. A good example of this is the color of the shirt used at the JUCO level in many parts. Those officials can and do use the grey shirts and you do not see anything in the CCA Manual that requires such a thing. This jacket falls under the same situation. The reality is that all lower level college conferences have not required their staff to wear these jackets and even have different expectations because not all officials will have the old jackets. Unless this guy works at the D1 level, his assignor has the right to expect different things.

Peace

[TD21]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We'd say your conference was wrong. Now, if you want to make it more like the situation you're talking about, you need to follow that up with a couple of more steps.

You: My conference says....
Us: That's not very bright of your conference.
You: Well, I agree with them because....
Us: Well, here's why we think it's stupid.
You: Harumph, well I work 300 games a year....

I'm not trying to defend his responses, I'm just using him as an example. I thought about using OS but we all know that wouldn't have gotten me very far. That post was the most recent that allowed me to show that someone says something and then a select group jumps on him and says, no your wrong, then when that doesn't work, they say prove it. Then if that doesn't work they try to tangle the orignal poster into a big circle so they can see, we got you, that's not what you said before, you must be lying because you changed you statement here. See we were right the whole time, you just shouldn't post because we don't believe anything you say, because it doesn't conform to our beliefs.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TD21

My point is would any of you like me or others to respond to everything you poat and tell you why I think you are wrong? Wether I'm right you're right or neither of us is right? Because that seems to be what some like to do. I guess if that's what you feel you need to do then great. Wonder what would happen if the same was done to you? We can all play devils advocate if you will on a lot of the enforcement of the rules in the game of basketball. I'm just saying that some of you feel that your way is the only way. And dare I say...............YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!!! oh but you think you are, we all do. its ok to be shown a different way once in a while.

And my point, again, is:

DON"T TELL US WHAT TO POST!!!!

Post whatever the hell that you want to post. Respond to whatever you want to also. Make any point that you feel like making. But do NOT tell anybody else what they can post or not post here. That ain't your job.

Lah me......

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And my point, again, is:

DON"T TELL US WHAT TO POST!!!!

Post whatever the hell that you want to post. Respond to whatever you want to also. Make any point that you feel like making. But do NOT tell anybody else what they can post or not post here. That ain't your job.

Lah me......

Uh-oh...here comes that 2x4 I was talking about on the last page.

[tomegun]

I'm not sure I understand the OP's alternative. Do you want someone to ignore wrong posts? If that were to happen, and a young officials is looking at a thread, what does that do to the game of basketball? Everydody doesn't live in MN, but if you say something wrong and nobody points it out there is a possibility that one official will take your word as the gospel and run with it. Even defending something wrong like you are doing is...wrong.

If you didn't already know this, there are many Alpha males (females too) on this board. Telling them what not to post just isn't going to work when they have rules references to back up what they are saying. You can keep trying, but your trying will be in vain.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Uh-oh...here comes that 2x4 I was talking about on the last page.

Rocky, there's one helluva difference between disagreeing with somebody or telling them that they can't post something because someone else might disagree with it.

Iow, I don't have too much patience with someone who falls off a turnip truck, hears the noise, wanders in the side door and then proclaims himself the Master and Sole Keeper Of The Mores And Customs Of The Forum. I kinda figure that's up to Brad and the mods.

[TD21]

How come I can't tell you what to post but you can tell me, in big bold letters mind you, what I can post? Let me guess? You've earned that right? or maybe you're just always right. Funny how the person telling me what I can't do is the exact guy doing what he's telling me not to do!!!! So are you telling me what the rules are and then using your own interp of them? I though that was wrong?!!! Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way I have a feeling you're going to tell me which it is, and in bold print I hope.

[Adam]

Wait for it....

[TD21]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm not sure I understand the OP's alternative. Do you want someone to ignore wrong posts? If that were to happen, and a young officials is looking at a thread, what does that do to the game of basketball? Everydody doesn't live in MN, but if you say something wrong and nobody points it out there is a possibility that one official will take your word as the gospel and run with it. Even defending something wrong like you are doing is...wrong.

If you didn't already know this, there are many Alpha males (females too) on this board. Telling them what not to post just isn't going to work when they have rules references to back up what they are saying. You can keep trying, but your trying will be in vain.

I'm not saying that wrong information shouldn't be corrected. I'm saying that there are people who always have to be right and sometimes they themselves aren't right. An example would be someone posting saying don't tell other people what to post.

[TD21]

I don't recall ever telling someone what they could or couldn't post. Post whatever you want. All I said from the beginning is it seems like the same people are always trying to prove others wrong. If there is wrong information correct it, back it with and source and discuss it all you want. Now continually replying and getting med isn't helping prove your case. All I have been saying is the same people are always right.......a post is made, they disagree, they fire back. Sometimes this needs to happen, others maybe not. I thought this was a discussion board, and I've been told atleast 3 times since I've joined that I can't tell others what to post! I'm not trying to tell others what to post but I am being told what I can't post? That seems odd to me. I officiate basketball and visit sights like this one to see what other officials are talking about. Sometimes I get some very good info from this site other times just pure entertainment. All in all I think its a great tool. But I know that when I discuss is person, with another official, we let each side argue and then we see if we can come to some common ground. Sometime we do and other times we don't. If we don't agree w move......that doesn't mean we don't think the other person is right, we just leave it to them to make that mistake, or atleast what we think is a mistake. So I think this site is a good place to discuss rules, mechanics, and even philosophy, if you can have a civil talk. I don't think its good that a certain few have to always be right. I'm not telling anyone what to post, I'll just laugh, and possibly defend now that I know some will defend at all costs. Discuss and post what ever you want, even if its a post telling me I can't tell you what to post!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TD21

How come I can't tell you what to post but you can tell me, in big bold letters mind you, what I can post?

Where in this thread did I EVER tell you what to post? Au contraire, Goober, if you check back through the responses, you will find that I actually said "Post whatever the hell that you want to post." Basically, I could give a rat's azz what you post. However,
DO NOT TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WHAT I OR THEY CAN OR CAN'T POST!!!!

Reading is fundamental. As exemplified by your response above, actually comprehending what you're reading is extremely more difficult, if not impossible.

WOBW.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Post whatever the hell that you want to post. Respond to whatever you want to also. Make any point that you feel like making. But do NOT tell anybody else what they can post or not post here. That ain't your job.

RIF.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by TD21

How come I can't tell you what to post but you can tell me, in big bold letters mind you, what I can post? .

So you're saying you have the right to impose on other what they can and cannot post?

How did that happen?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by TD21

I don't recall ever telling someone what they could or couldn't post. Post whatever you want.

Well that's refreshing.

I suppose this is a 2 way street?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually you are incorrect. The CCA Requirement is only for Division 1 officials.

Just to follow up on this comment: the CCA requirements are only for Division 1 officials, because the "CCA" is simply all the Division 1 assignors, the Collegiate Commissioners' Association. The D1 assignors get together and decide what mechanics (and jacket) their staffs will use. The D1 assignors have no authority over D2 or D3 or JUCO conferences, as far as I know. Those other conferences usually follow the CCA manual, because they want to have uniform mechanics, etc. But there's no requirement for them to do so -- again, as far as I know.

A good example of this is the color of the shirt used at the JUCO level in many parts.

My understanding (which could again obviously be wrong) is that the gray shirts are not allowed at any NCAA level because the black and white shirt is required by the rulebook. So it's slightly different from the jacket, which is not mentioned in the rulebook.