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Adam · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's not quite correct. Even if the ball is through the goal, no points can be scored if there's a PC foul.

Points can be awarded for BI or GT followed by a PC foul.

I'll have to follow up on these rules, because I don't get it now. Why would we disallow the basket that's already been scored?

Scrapper1 · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why would we disallow the basket that's already been scored?

Because no basket can be scored when the shooter commits a player control foul. The points can be awarded if the defense violates in certain ways, but the shooter cannot score a basket if he/she commits a PC foul.

truerookie · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Because no basket can be scored when the shooter commits a player control foul. The points can be awarded if the defense violates in certain ways, but the shooter cannot score a basket if he/she commits a PC foul.

Good point and due to the violation. Team B will have a throw-in anywhere along the endline because of the violation.

ranjo · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Because no basket can be scored when the shooter commits a player control foul. The points can be awarded if the defense violates in certain ways, but the shooter cannot score a basket if he/she commits a PC foul.

Not to confuse things, but I believe there are some differences between Fed and NCAA rules if the basket is made before the PC foul occures.

Adam · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by ranjo

Not to confuse things, but I believe there are some differences between Fed and NCAA rules if the basket is made before the PC foul occures.

Not exactly. The difference is that fact that in NCAA there is no such thing as an airborne shooter. This means any foul committed after the release is a common foul rather than a PC foul.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not exactly. The difference is that fact that in NCAA there is no such thing as an airborne shooter. This means any foul committed after the release is a common foul rather than a PC foul.

That is the case on the Men's side. I must say that or all the Women's official get upset when you do not include their rules or philosophies. Not that most of the public cares.

Peace

Dan_ref · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not exactly. The difference is that fact that in NCAA there is no such thing as an airborne shooter.

Not exactly.

The difference is under ncaa men's rules the PC foul only applies to players with the ball, it does not apply to the airborne shooter as it does ubder fed & ncaa women's rules.

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This means any foul committed after the release is a common foul rather than a PC foul.

ncaa men only.

Scrapper1 · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 02:00pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Not exactly.

The difference is under ncaa men's rules the PC foul only applies to players with the ball, it does not apply to the airborne shooter as it does ubder fed & ncaa women's rules.

Exactly.

jer166 · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll have to follow up on these rules, because I don't get it now. Why would we disallow the basket that's already been scored?

In the OP the ball becomes dead immediately when the GT occurs and the penalty is to award the points. Then the PC foul occurs & the PC foul is penaliized.

If the PC foul occurs first the ball is innediately dead and a basket can't be counted. The GT after the ball is dead is of no consequence.

Adam · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 04:18pm

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Originally Posted by jer166

In the OP the ball becomes dead immediately when the GT occurs and the penalty is to award the points. Then the PC foul occurs & the PC foul is penaliized.

If the PC foul occurs first the ball is innediately dead and a basket can't be counted. The GT after the ball is dead is of no consequence.

I understand this much. What I was questioning was when the ball actually goes through the hoop prior to the PC. For some reason, I thought since the goal had already been scored, you'd keep the score on the board.

JRutledge · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2007, 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I understand this much. What I was questioning was when the ball actually goes through the hoop prior to the PC. For some reason, I thought since the goal had already been scored, you'd keep the score on the board.

If you are talking about NCAA Men's basketball the play in the OP your ruling is very true. NF rules that would not be true.

Peace