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ranjo Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:03am

what now?
 
Started hitting the books in preparation for the upcoming NFHS testing and came across the following from an old test. (2001-02 Part II)

"If B1 goaltends and airborne shooter A1 then commits a player control foul, the goaltending is ignored."

My answer was false, and it was counted as correct, but I can't remember how to administer the penalties. My guess would be to award the goal to team A, charge A1 with a player control foul and give the ball to team B for an unrestricted throw-in.

Agree or not?:confused:

JRutledge Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:10am

If the goaltending happened first, you award the basket and call the PC foul. I do not know what a "restricted" throw-in is. Team B is allowed to throw in the ball anywhere along the end line.

Peace

ranjo Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
If the goaltending happened first, you award the basket and call the PC foul. I do not know what a "restricted" throw-in is. Team B is allowed to throw in the ball anywhere along the end line.

Peace


Sorry about the non-rulebook terminology - "Restricted" would mean a spot throw-in and "non-restricted" would mean the team retains the option to run the end line.

ranjo Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
If the goaltending happened first, you award the basket and call the PC foul. I do not know what a "restricted" throw-in is. Team B is allowed to throw in the ball anywhere along the end line.

Peace

So I am assuming that if the PC foul occured first, the goaltending would be ignored?

Adam Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:51am

Yes, because the ball becomes dead immediately on the PC foul.

JRutledge Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranjo
Sorry about the non-rulebook terminology - "Restricted" would mean a spot throw-in and "non-restricted" would mean the team retains the option to run the end line.

It either is a "designated spot" throw-in or it is not. Restricted throw-in sounds a bit confusing to me and likely others that are not knowledgeable about the rule.

Peace

FrankHtown Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:03pm

Dang...I don't have my books with me, but I seem to recall a similar case book play except it was basket interference. If I recall correctly, they awarded the points, due to the BI, if the shot was released before the PC foul occurred.

Help...who has a case book?!?!??!

Adam Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:15pm

Look at it this way, if the goal is scored before the ball becomes dead, it counts. The ball does not become dead until the PC foul.

To determine if the shot is good or not, you need to know the timing of two things:

1. the scoring event happens (ball through goal or goal tending/BI.)
2. the PC foul occurs.

If #1 happens first, count the goal. If #2 happens before #1, no basket.

Indianaref Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:18pm

9.11.1 SITUATION E: The bonus rule is in effect. While the ball is in flight during a try for field goal by A1, A2 fouls B1. B2 then commits a basket-interference violation. RULING: Both the violation and personal foul are penalized. Team A is awarded two points for the basket interference by B2 and then B1 is awarded a free throw(s) for the foul by A2. (6-7 Exception b)

Adam Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by Indianaref
9.11.1 SITUATION E: The bonus rule is in effect. While the ball is in flight during a try for field goal by A1, A2 fouls B1. B2 then commits a basket-interference violation. RULING: Both the violation and personal foul are penalized. Team A is awarded two points for the basket interference by B2 and then B1 is awarded a free throw(s) for the foul by A2. (6-7 Exception b)

This is slightly changed when the foul in question is a PC foul. On all other fouls, the ball remains alive when it's already in flight on a try. On a PC foul, it's dead immediately.

Indianaref Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
This is slightly changed when the foul in question is a PC foul. On all other fouls, the ball remains alive when it's already in flight on a try. On a PC foul, it's dead immediately.

Correct! I tried to find a similar case book play similar to the OP, could not find it.

Jurassic Referee Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranjo
Started hitting the books in preparation for the upcoming NFHS testing and came across the following from an old test. (2001-02 Part II)

"If B1 goaltends and airborne shooter A1 then commits a player control foul, the goaltending is ignored."

My answer was false, and it was counted as correct, but I can't remember how to administer the penalties. My guess would be to award the goal to team A, charge A1 with a player control foul and give the ball to team B for an unrestricted throw-in.

Agree or not?:confused:

See case book play 4.19.6SitA(a). It's the exact play.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Look at it this way, if the goal is scored before the ball becomes dead, it counts. The ball does not become dead until the PC foul.

To determine if the shot is good or not, you need to know the timing of two things:

1. the scoring event happens (ball through goal or goal tending/BI.)
2. the PC foul occurs.

If #1 happens first, count the goal. If #2 happens before #1, no basket.

That's not quite correct. Even if the ball is through the goal, no points can be scored if there's a PC foul.

Points can be awarded for BI or GT followed by a PC foul.

Adam Mon Nov 05, 2007 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
That's not quite correct. Even if the ball is through the goal, no points can be scored if there's a PC foul.

Points can be awarded for BI or GT followed by a PC foul.

I'll have to follow up on these rules, because I don't get it now. Why would we disallow the basket that's already been scored?

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 05, 2007 01:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Why would we disallow the basket that's already been scored?

Because no basket can be scored when the shooter commits a player control foul. The points can be awarded if the defense violates in certain ways, but the shooter cannot score a basket if he/she commits a PC foul.


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