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Nevadaref Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Soooooo...B1 obtains LGP on A1 and is withinn the 6 foot distance. You start the 5 second count, and on 2, B1 turns around and now has his back to A1 while yelling at the post player to play better defense. You keeping that count going? He had LGP and is still within 6 feet, so it fits the rules. Not sure I would keep a count going on that one though. What'cha think boss?

I definitely continue to count.
4-23-3b "The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent."

Edited to correct the article number of rule citation.

Dan_ref Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
I definitely continue to count.
4-23-4b "The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent."

yeahbut the guard IS facing the opponent.

It's the opponent facing the other way.

M&M Guy Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad
Soooooo...B1 obtains LGP on A1 and is withinn the 6 foot distance. You start the 5 second count, and on 2, B1 turns around and now has his back to A1 while yelling at the post player to play better defense. You keeping that count going? He had LGP and is still within 6 feet, so it fits the rules. Not sure I would keep a count going on that one though. What'cha think boss?

What about 4-23-3(b) - After the initial guarding position is obtained, the guard is not required to continue facing the opponent?

Before you answer about turning away from immenent contact, that's also mentioned in a separate line, 4-23-3(e).

So it looks like that's the intent. Is it called in practice? Hmm...

(Btw, I'm not your boss, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.)

Adam Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:35pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Speaking of such........

No response yet to that e-mail I sent to the head poobah in Kansas. I can't really say that I blame her.

You know, I went to the KS website to try to see how long the season is, and found out that this illustrious woman is listed as an administrator. Now, I do not want to disparage what those administrator types do, because I know they get deluged with all sorts of tasks. However, I'd hardly refer someone to our basketball administrator if they had a question about how Colorado was interpreting the coaching box, pregame dunks, or any other rule.

So, this tells me one of three things.

1. She's not really the poobah, and our KS friend really doesn't know what he's talking about.

2. She's not the poobah, but is still the go-to person for rules interps in Kansas.

3. She is the poobah, and Kansas is so backwards that when they do promote a woman to poobah, they have to give her a more docile-sounding title like "administrator."

Dan_ref Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You know, I went to the KS website to try to see how long the season is, and found out that this illustrious woman is listed as an administrator. Now, I do not want to disparage what those administrator types do, because I know they get deluged with all sorts of tasks. However, I'd hardly refer someone to our basketball administrator if they had a question about how Colorado was interpreting the coaching box, pregame dunks, or any other rule.

So, this tells me one of three things.

1. She's not really the poobah, and our KS friend really doesn't know what he's talking about.

2. She's not the poobah, but is still the go-to person for rules interps in Kansas.

3. She is the poobah, and Kansas is so backwards that when they do promote a woman to poobah, they have to give her a more docile-sounding title like "administrator."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content...50_450x300.jpg

Jurassic Referee Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
We certainly live in an enlightened world when a mere woman can climb to the position of poobah.

From Dictionary com:

<b>Poo bah:</b> -<i>A person who holds several positions, especially one that gives him <font color = red>or her</font> bureaucratic importance.</i>

Far be it from me to ever engage in any form of levity that might possibly be construed as being misogynistic.

Got that, prick?

Dan_ref Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
From Dictionary com:

<b>Poo bah:</b> -<i>A person who holds several positions, especially one that gives him <font color = red>or her</font> bureaucratic importance.</i>

Far be it from me to ever engage in any form of levity that might possibly be construed as being misogynistic.

Got that, prick?

Balls to that, I say!

M&M Guy Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:40pm

Is there a place even below hell?

Jurassic Referee Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:42pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You know, I went to the KS website to try to see how long the season is, and found out that this illustrious woman is listed as an administrator. Now, I do not want to disparage what those administrator types do, because I know they get deluged with all sorts of tasks. However, I'd hardly refer someone to our basketball administrator if they had a question about how Colorado was interpreting the coaching box, pregame dunks, or any other rule.

So, this tells me one of three things.

1. She's not really the poobah, and our KS friend really doesn't know what he's talking about.

2. She's not the poobah, but is still the go-to person for rules interps in Kansas.

3. She is the poobah, and Kansas is so backwards that when they do promote a woman to poobah, they have to give her a more docile-sounding title like "administrator."

My impression from what I read on that web site is that it's door #4.

4. She's the poobah and is also the go-to person for rules interpretations in Kansas.

Of course, I sureashell could be wrong. It is Kansas, Toto.

Dan_ref Tue Oct 30, 2007 04:44pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Is there a place even below hell?

Springfield MA

Jurassic Referee Tue Oct 30, 2007 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Is there a place even below hell?

Boston

Splute Tue Oct 30, 2007 08:07pm

Okay scrimmages are done.... what were we talking about?? For the record JR, you have spoken very eloquently on this subject. I appreciate your comments.

Mark Dexter Tue Oct 30, 2007 08:58pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Is there a place even below hell?

New Jersey?

rainmaker Tue Oct 30, 2007 09:26pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
We certainly live in an enlightened world when a mere woman can climb to the position of poobah.

I don't get it.

rainmaker Tue Oct 30, 2007 09:29pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Is there a place even below hell?

I don't know the exact name of the place when it's translated into English, but I do know that at least one of the neighborhoods is in NY about an hour's drive from NYC.


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