The Test....

[Mark Padgett]

I tool a small quiz once. It was called a "quizzical". Maybe you should take a small test?

[JRutledge]

It is an open book test!!! Why did you not just go over the test with your association before you submitted the results? You do not need to buy a program to do that. I have a group that goes over the test before our association discusses the test to make sure we all go over the test so that our scores are not in the tank. Before anyone starts going off, this is a widely acceptable practice and has been in many cases encouraged. This is not a test that is expected to be taken in a dark room all by yourself.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not a test that is expected to be taken in a dark room all by yourself.

Except for Padgett, who is encouraged to stay in a dark room by himself as much as possible; even when taking open book tests. Otherwise, children tend to get frightened.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Except for Padgett, who is encouraged to stay in a dark room by himself as much as possible; even when taking open book tests. Otherwise, children tend to get frightened.

Replace "encouraged" with "required" and you just about have it.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is an open book test!!! Why did you not just go over the test with your association before you submitted the results? You do not need to buy a program to do that. I have a group that goes over the test before our association discusses the test to make sure we all go over the test so that our scores are not in the tank. Before anyone starts going off, this is a widely acceptable practice and has been in many cases encouraged. This is not a test that is expected to be taken in a dark room all by yourself.

Peace

That is the most frustrating part. Like I said.. I went over most of the test with a senior official who was on the rules commitee. The rest I did out of the book.

I dont know what happened. Very frustrating cause I understand the rules. I read the posts here and understand eveything you are talking about.

Oh well.. Like I said.. I'm going to the hands on clinic this sat and they have the rules interpretation meeting at the end. I'll take the test again after that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

That is the most frustrating part. Like I said.. I went over most of the test with a senior official who was on the rules commitee. The rest I did out of the book.

I dont know what happened. Very frustrating cause I understand the rules. I read the posts here and understand eveything you are talking about.

Oh well.. Like I said.. I'm going to the hands on clinic this sat and they have the rules interpretation meeting at the end. I'll take the test again after that.

Did you take the test online or mail the test into the IHSA? Also PM me because there were some other questions I wanted to ask you outside of this forum.

Peace

[Junker]

Is this the first year you took the test? As most of us would agree, the test questions are not always the most clearly written statements you will ever read. The first couple of times you do it can be tough. After a while you get used to their format and get to know what they expect. Don't beat yourself up for it too much.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by Junker

Is this the first year you took the test? As most of us would agree, the test questions are not always the most clearly written statements you will ever read. The first couple of times you do it can be tough. After a while you get used to their format and get to know what they expect. Don't beat yourself up for it too much.

Yes.. this is my first time.

[Adam]

These questions are worded in a way that makes them purposefully more difficult. I think they do this so you need more than just a cursory knowledge of the rules to pass it. You need to actually understand the individual rules.

The trade-off is that the questions are sometimes too confusing.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is an open book test!!! Why did you not just go over the test with your association before you submitted the results? You do not need to buy a program to do that. I have a group that goes over the test before our association discusses the test to make sure we all go over the test so that our scores are not in the tank. Before anyone starts going off, this is a widely acceptable practice and has been in many cases encouraged. This is not a test that is expected to be taken in a dark room all by yourself.

Peace

This is the pot calling the kettle black. This is no different than anything that has been done on this site before.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

This is the pot calling the kettle black. This is no different than anything that has been done on this site before.

I am not completely sure what you are referring to. But I am mainly talking about from an IHSA perspective. I really do not care what other states do because to be licensed in Illinois can be different as to how this test is taken. I will leave it at that because I am tried of debating what should or should not be done with an open book test.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

This is the pot calling the kettle black. This is no different than anything that has been done on this site before.

Are you referring to the occasional new posters who ask for the test answers?

If so, it's completely different than going to a meeting to review them with your local assigning/governing organization.

Accountability is the main difference.

[Splute]

The one I remember most went something like this (not verbatim):
B1 is intentionally fouled by A1 while dribbling. The official calls a player control foul. Is the official correct? Had I not studied questions like this before hand, I probably would have missed it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Splute

The one I remember most went something like this (not verbatim):
B1 is intentionally fouled by A1 while dribbling. The official calls a player control foul. Is the official correct? Had I not studied questions like this before hand, I probably would have missed it.

That question is simply testing whether you know the definitions of a player control foul and a common foul.
What is the problem with that?

It also has a serious impact on the court. If there is an intentional foul and the official incorrectly rules that it is a player control foul and doesn't award any FTs, then we have a correctable error situation. We certainly don't want that.

[Idaho]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That question is simply testing whether you know the definitions of a player control foul and a common foul.
What is the problem with that?

It also has a serious impact on the court. If there is an intentional foul and the official incorrectly rules that it is a player control foul and doesn't award any FTs, then we have a correctable error situation. We certainly don't want that.

It's worded poorly, though. That's the problem with the question. These kind of questions I do have a problem with.

If the question is meant to imply that B1 was dribbling, it's a misplaced modifier. If it's meant to imply that A1 was dribbling, it's still grammatically incorrect.

If B1 was dribbling, you shoot FTs. If A1 was dribbling, you have a PC and no free throws. Or do you? Thinking about it, I think you do, don't you? You can't have an intentional foul that is a PC foul, can you?

Either way, the way it's written, you could interpret either player to be the dribbler.