Get 'em both?

[Adam]

Here's the sitch:

8th grade AAU. One team clearly outclassed by the other.

Losing team commits a turn-over and head coach and assistant coach both stand, at the same time, and scream "Jesus Chr!st!"

I gave the HC a technical foul, but wonder if I shouldn't have rung them both up.

Thoughts?

[Jurassic Referee]

Dumb question.

Did they both commit "T"-worthy acts? If both had told you to FO, would you only nail the head coach?

Nip it, nip it in the bud.

Btw, make sure that you give the head coach an indirect "T" for his assistants yapping also, to go along with his direct "T".

[Mark Padgett]

I agree. As the Immortal Dave would say, "It's T for two".

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Losing team commits a turn-over and head coach and assistant coach both stand, at the same time, and scream "Jesus Chr!st!"

I'm assuming that they wanted a foul call and weren't just screaming "Jesus Christ!" because their team was playing so horribly?

One whack is enough I think... Kills two birds with one stone. You can always go back and give the assistant one later!

[zebraman]

IMO, one T is plenty. It sends the message you want. There is also a case play (10.4.1 Sit D) where one T is called even though several coaches and subs are standing. I know that's a little different because "JC" is more unsportsmanlike, but it's still the same general idea.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by zebraman

IMO, one T is plenty. It sends the message you want. There is also a case play (10.4.1 Sit D) where one T is called even though several coaches and subs are standing. I know that's a little different because "JC" is more unsportsmanlike, but it's still the same general idea.

I disagree.

Multiple players and coaches standing up minding their own business is one thing.

Multiple players and/or coaches standing up to yell (especially profanities) at me - each of them is getting T'ed up.

[bigdog5142]

I am a bit confused here...if a coach gets on direct T and then gets an indirect T...is he/she ejected? Or is it two indirects and one direct? I know that two directs and three indirects equals ejection...but what about the combination?

[Brad]

A coach is ejected for two direct technicals or three direct OR indirect technicals.

Thus, the head coach could get a direct technical and an indirect tech because of the bench (i.e. assistant coach) and not yet be ejected. However, an additional technical on the bench would result in the second indirect technical on the head coach, giving him three total (one direct and two indirect) and would result in ejection.

[Idaho]

Originally Posted by bigdog5142

I am a bit confused here...if a coach gets on direct T and then gets an indirect T...is he/she ejected? Or is it two indirects and one direct? I know that two directs and three indirects equals ejection...but what about the combination?

Two directs is ejection.

Any combination of three is ejection.

So, this would not be an ejection. The coach would be one direct or one inderect away from ejection.

[Dan_ref]

One T.

[26 Year Gap]

Hey, did you put your pin on the map, JR?

[TimTaylor]

Two T's.......

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by grunewar

That's funny.

Question - what if one or two players also stood up at about the same time and mouthed off? Would you whack em all?

If it was T-worthy as an individual effort, it's T-worthy as a group. Coach is getting an early trip to the showers.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Question - what if one or two players also stood up at about the same time and mouthed off? Would you whack em all?

I would personally. You do the crime, you do the time. That's only fair imo. Note that there are no hard and fast rules though. Sometimes a warning might be a better option. It's whatever feels right to do at that particular time in that particular game.

It's amazing how quickly they learn after they get whacked, "they" being everybody on the bench. Note though that I've never believed in bench watching. If I see it, I'll take care of it. If I hear it and it's exceptionally bad but I can't identify who said it, I'll get the person responsible for bench conduct----> the coach. Works for me. Other methods may work just as well for other officials. As long as the game is controlled, who cares?

Jmo.......

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I would personally. You do the crime, you do the time. That's only fair imo. Note that there are no hard and fast rules though. Sometimes a warning might be a better option. It's whatever feels right to do at that particular time in that particular game.

It's amazing how quickly they learn after they get whacked, "they" being everybody on the bench. Note though that I've never believed in bench watching. If I see it, I'll take care of it. If I hear it and it's exceptionally bad but I can't identify who said it, I'll get the person responsible for bench conduct----> the coach. Works for me. Other methods may work just as well for other officials. As long as the game is controlled, who cares?

Jmo.......

Control, especially for high school and below is the key and where I think we are failing. A lot of these things happen because one official, then a crew, then an association let them happen. Start handing out Ts like it is next Wednesday and I bet they would stop all the BS. As much of it at least.