Free Throw Lane Restrictions

[jer166]

We had our first unit meeting last night. While receiving instruction on the Free Throws Rough Play POE the discussion centered on the statement, "Coaches must not teach players to "lock up" arms along the lane line…

One of the instructors said to tell the players they can only hold their hands straight up or down. I asked for a reference to back this up. After some research from members of the committee several references were cited.
9-1-3g concerning a player occupying a marked lane space, and 4-45 concerning verticality were cited to support the instruction.

I need some convincing that either of these would support telling players they can only hold their arms straight up or down. What is your take on this and do these rules or any rules support this instruction?

Don't get me wrong here, I do not have a problem of preventative officiating and controlling the arm & hand contact along the lane line. I'm just not comfortable telling players they can only hold their arms straight up or down.

[Coltdoggs]

If I get arm "jockeying" going on where they keep going trying to be the one on top, I'll tell them straight up or straight out....Never had a coach give me any lip service about it....

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by jer166

We had our first unit meeting last night.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jer166

We had our first unit meeting last night. While receiving instruction on the Free Throws Rough Play POE the discussion centered on the statement, "Coaches must not teach players to "lock up" arms along the lane line…

One of the instructors said to tell the players they can only hold their hands straight up or down. I asked for a reference to back this up. After some research from members of the committee several references were cited.
9-1-3g concerning a player occupying a marked lane space, and 4-45 concerning verticality were cited to support the instruction.

I need some convincing that either of these would support telling players they can only hold their arms straight up or down. What is your take on this and do these rules or any rules support this instruction?

Don't get me wrong here, I do not have a problem of preventative officiating and controlling the arm & hand contact along the lane line. I'm just not comfortable telling players they can only hold their arms straight up or down.

Players can extend their arms any direction they want...as long as they don't commit a foul with them.

Verticality is only relevant when considering a possible foul call. They can put them over the lane, over their opponent, or just about anywhere short of committing a foul.

Occupying a space also doesn't rely on the position of the arms. If they are not touching part of the court outside the space and their feet are not extended outside the space, they're in the space. There are no requirements on keeping the arms in/over the space.

However, once the arms are out of their space/not vertical, they are at risk for a foul if it hinders their opponents play....such as keeping them from getting to the rebound. But then, that's a hold with or without what you cited.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jer166

We had our first unit meeting last night. While receiving instruction on the Free Throws Rough Play POE the discussion centered on the statement, "Coaches must not teach players to "lock up" arms along the lane line…

I need some convincing that either of these would support telling players they can only hold their arms straight up or down. What is your take on this and do these rules or any rules support this instruction?

NFHS rule 4-24-6--"It is not legal to extend the arms fully or partially in a position other than vertical so that the freedom or movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the arms occur. The extensions of the elbows when the hands are on the hips or when the hands are held near the chest are examples of the illegal positions used."

Also see NFHS rule 10-6-1 & 4.

[jer166]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Players can extend their arms any direction they want...as long as they don't commit a foul with them.

Verticality is only relevant when considering a possible foul call. They can put them over the lane, over their opponent, or just about anywhere short of committing a foul.

Occupying a space also doesn't rely on the position of the arms. If they are not touching part of the court outside the space and their feet are not extended outside the space, they're in the space. There are no requirements on keeping the arms in/over the space.

However, once the arms are out of their space/not vertical, they are at risk for a foul if it hinders their opponents play....such as keeping them from getting to the rebound. But then, that's a hold with or without what you cited.

almost exactly my position in class...I was labeled an irritant...probably was...

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Players can extend their arms any direction they want...as long as they don't commit a foul with them.

Verticality is only relevant when considering a possible foul call. They can put them over the lane, over their opponent, or just about anywhere short of committing a foul.

Occupying a space also doesn't rely on the position of the arms. If they are not touching part of the court outside the space and their feet are not extended outside the space, they're in the space. There are no requirements on keeping the arms in/over the space.

However, once the arms are out of their space/not vertical, they are at risk for a foul if it hinders their opponents play....such as keeping them from getting to the rebound. But then, that's a hold with or without what you cited.

Agree. Case 9.1.3. situation L: Only the feet would constitute a violation. However, arm contact is a foul (slapping arms as the throw goes up). That is why many refs tell them to stay vertical or in their lane - just to prevent a foul. Probably OK to mention for MS ball but not HS.

An interesting question would be: B5 extends her left arm into the space of A5 all the way across her body. A5 whacks it down with force. Foul on A5 or B5?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Agree. Case 9.1.3. situation L: Only the feet would constitute a violation. However, arm contact is a foul (slapping arms as the throw goes up). That is why many refs tell them to stay vertical or in their lane - just to prevent a foul. Probably OK to mention for MS ball but not HS.

An interesting question would be: B5 extends her left arm into the space of A5 all the way across her body. A5 whacks it down with force. Foul on A5 or B5?

A5. Silly A5........unless B5 is committing a free throw violation per 8-1-4f prior to the foul...?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

An interesting question would be: B5 extends her left arm into the space of A5 all the way across her body. A5 whacks it down with force. Foul on A5 or B5?

Foul on A5...illegal use of hands.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

An interesting question would be: B5 extends her left arm into the space of A5 all the way across her body. A5 whacks it down with force. Foul on A5 or B5?

Who caused the contact? A5. Therefore, A5 gets the foul for the whack. If A5 had just moved her body into the extended arm and made it obvious that B5 was holding her back then B5 should be charged with the foul.

PS I agree with Camron's earlier post.