The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 06:25pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 549
Question

Rookie ump with this one that I saw a couple weeks ago with 4th grade girls

Player A1 when dribbling down on a fast break when she quit dribbling and pull up her feet would continue sliding on the court for another foot or more. It looked weird and I am guessing she was wearing tennis shoes instead of basketball shoes that allowed her to slide when trying to come to a stop.

Traveling or No call


Thanks

Don
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 06:40pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 1,517
by rule, violation. in this game, no call.
__________________
foulbuster
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 07:15pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 110
I agree with Bart on this one.

Often at that level, kids are playing on bad, slippery floors. No traction, and often the shoes aren't the best either.

I got nothing on this one.

Ren
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 08:40pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally posted by Bart Tyson
by rule, violation. in this game, no call.
I have been told this is a travel, but have never seen a ruling that backs it up. Have you seen a Case?

Why would you call a travel if they don't lift (step) their pivot foot (at any level of play)?

You allow a person to slide to a stop on a dive for a ball; why is this different?

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 08:51pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 1,517
how about dragging the pivot foot.
__________________
foulbuster
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 09:08pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 185
No travel. Is this not equivalent to skidding on one's chest with the ball after diving for it? Point of contact has not changed.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2002, 09:13pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally posted by Bart Tyson
how about dragging the pivot foot.
If you voluntarily drag the foot then I have a travel, but I don't when sliding to a stop--until someone gives me a good reason to. Try 4-43-3 and 4, both talk about limitations after coming to a stop.

[Edited by Slider on Jan 22nd, 2002 at 08:24 PM]
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2002, 12:18am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,616
By rule, this is traveling. The difference in this play and a player diving and sliding is that there's no pivot foot when diving and sliding. There is a pivot foot in this play. The rule is 4-43-1.

Traveling (running with the ball) is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball. The limits on foot movements are as follows:
A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, may pivot, using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot.

This player moved both feet without pivoting. Note that the prescribed limits say the player may pivot. It does not say they can slide.
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2002, 05:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 249
Originally posted by BktBallRef
By rule, this is traveling. The difference in this play and a player diving and sliding is that there's no pivot foot when diving and sliding. There is a pivot foot in this play. The rule is 4-43-1.

4-43-1 is for a player standing, 2, 3, and 4 address a player moving, and all set foot movement limits after the player has stopped.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2002, 06:26pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,616
Where in 4-43-1 do you see the word "stop?"
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2002, 06:41pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally posted by BktBallRef
Where in 4-43-1 do you see the word "stop?"
I don't; the player is standing still. Therefore, it doesn't apply.

In 4-43-2, 4-43-3, and 4-43-4 you have a player stopping (possibly sliding to a stop). AFTER he stops there are limits on his foot movements.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2002, 06:48pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,616
There's absolutely nothing in 4-43-1 that indicates that the player has to be standing still. It only says that both feet are on the ground. The pivot foot does not have to be lifted to have traveling. It only has to be moved. That's why the rule says that traveling "is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball." If a foot slides, it has definitely moved.
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2002, 07:12pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 249
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally posted by BktBallRef
If a foot slides, it has definitely moved.
You are right, I finally understand. Disregard my previous messages.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Message to self: Think limits, think pivot, think "spin"

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:11pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1