Isn't guarding what they are talking about?

Who knows ?
Everything is upside-down down under. :)

Yeah, I read it wrong.

Silly monkey.

Nevermind.

You're right, Mick. I read it wrong. The call depends on where the contact occurs. Assuming LGP, generally on the torso--->charge. Outside the torso--->block.

Yabut, what if the contact is on the turso? I'm so confused.

It's a bluck.

JustAnotherRef:

NFHS R2-S8-A1 does not apply to this game. The rule that does apply is FIBA R6-A38.3.2, which states: "A technical foul by a coach, assistant coach, subsitute or team follower is a foul for disrespectfully communicating or touching the officials, the commissioner, the table officials or opponents, or infraction of a procedural or adminstrative nature."

MTD, Sr.

I would say most under 10 girls games, no matter what rules you play by, sometimes you have to improvise a bit. I merely quoted this rule as what I perceive to be a sound principle.

But, Rut, by your logic you could "pretty close to never" have anyone removed from gym because "it is hard to always tell who is responsible for such an action." :D

In short, your willingness to have people removed because of their poor behavior, but unwillingness to charge a technical foul doesn't make sense.

If you are certain enough about whom to attribute the comment or actions to have them removed, then you are also certain enough to assess a penalty against a team.

Yeah, I guess it only makes sense to Jeff.....and the people who wrote NFHS rule 2-8-1 and NFHS case book play 2.8.1......and the officials who follow the direction of the rules and case book. Silly monkeys.

Sample verbiage out of 2.8.1....
-<i>"Thus, while officials do have the authority to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the game, this must be used with <b>extreme caution and discretion</b>. While the authority is there, the official must <b>rarely</b> use it, because experience has shown that calling hasty technical fouls on the crowd rarely solves the problem....."</i>
- <i>This may require the removal of a team follower(s). This can be done <b>without</b> charging the supporters' team with a technical foul. The <b>advised procedure</b> is for the official to to notify game management as to which follower(s) must be removed from the site."</i>
- <i>If the official has positive knowledge as to which supporter(s) threw the items , the official <b>should</b> instruct game management to have the supporter(s) <b>removed</b> from the site. As in the previous case, this can be done <b>without</b> charging the supporter(s) team with a technical foul,"</i>

It kinda seems that Jeff's philosophy is pretty close to the NFHS philosophy. Of course, Jeff probably only has access to the rule and case books printed by the FED. Maybe you could send him a copy of the <i><b>The Junior Rules(tm)</b></i>.:)

Jeff said <i>"Just get rid of the perpetrators and move on."</i> Good advice imo.

Agreed. And I'd add that the "rules" are often different for "rec league" games -- and that's what I'[d assuma an <10 game equates to. Here, sometimes (often?) the coaches are responsible for the behavior of teh fans and a T is appropriate *under the rules of that league*. That's what Cleefy seemed to imply (or at least what I inferred from his post).

Yeah, I hate being call a "sod." :rolleyes:

I think the fact that you're asking makes it evident that you wished you had handled it differently.

Had it been me and I thought their behavior crossed the line, I would have asked game management to remove them from the facility.

But penalize the team because fans yelled at me? No. Never.

I realize we disagree on interps from time to time but...have you lost your mind? You're going to penalize a team of 10 year olds because one of their team moms called you a sod? GMAFB!

From Jurassic Referee: "Sample verbiage out of 2.8.1: Thus, while officials do have the authority to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the game, this must be used with extreme caution and discretion. While the authority is there, the official must rarely use it, because experience has shown that calling hasty technical fouls on the crowd rarely solves the problem. This may require the removal of a team follower(s). This can be done without charging the supporters' team with a technical foul. The advised procedure is for the official to to notify game management as to which follower(s) must be removed from the site. If the official has positive knowledge as to which supporter(s) threw the items , the official should instruct game management to have the supporter(s) removed from the site. As in the previous case, this can be done without charging the supporter(s) team with a technical foul."

Everytime I read this citation, I think about the remote possibility that a fan of Team A might "pretend" to be a fan of Team B and do something unsportsmanlike to get some fouls shots for his "real" team and get an indirect technical foul on the "real" opposing coach. I know that it's a remote possibility, but it has guided me throughout my 26 years of officiating to occassionally ask to have a spectator removed, or at least spoken to by the site supervisor, but to never call a technical foul on the spectator.

I've removed many a fan over the years, Billy. Never dreamed of calling a "T" and probably never will.

Imo you penalize the person who deserves it, not an innocent party.