Throw-in/Traveling

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Why would this be a violation...an in-bounder can step on the line all they want - it's still OOB...if they step OVER the line onto the in-bounds area, then we have a violation, but not just for stepping on the line...

OOPS! Thanks for catching my error. You are correct concerning my original post. I meant to write that the player did step OVER the line. The observer still gave me the talk for making the call.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Was that at Verne's camp? If not, I had the same thing happen to a partner in a game that I worked. The clinicians reasoning was "don't go looking for stuff especially when there was no press in effect".
I thought the reasoning should've been because the player didn't cross the inside edge of the endline. But oh well, that's why they make the big bucks...

See my correction to my original post. He stepped OVER the line not just on it. I do although understand your point and I'm sure that was his point was also. Who's Verne?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

To add to this, and I don't think it's written anywhere. I also was told this by an interpretor. Looking for a pivot as RIP pointed out is a key (not the only key). In the adsence of a pivot foot, you go to the knees. In the absense of knees and feet being off the floor, you go to the butt for a pivot. If the player is lying flat on his a$$, that is his/her pivot, similiar to a jump stop. Now, if he rolls left, picking up the right buttock, the left buttock becomes the pivot, he then rolls back over the way, picking up the left buttock, he just switched pivots foots. That could be one reason the Fed. says you can't roll over.

It's not written anywhere because....well.....it's completely stoopid.

Your interpreter very obviously has about the same grasp of the rules as you do.

Lah me.......

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

To add to this, and I don't think it's written anywhere. I also was told this by an interpretor. Looking for a pivot as RIP pointed out is a key (not the only key). In the adsence of a pivot foot, you go to the knees. In the absense of knees and feet being off the floor, you go to the butt for a pivot. If the player is lying flat on his a$$, that is his/her pivot, similiar to a jump stop. Now, if he rolls left, picking up the right buttock, the left buttock becomes the pivot, he then rolls back over the way, picking up the left buttock, he just switched pivots foots. That could be one reason the Fed. says you can't roll over.

Using this arguement, it would seem that you could legally roll one way, but not the other. However, consider the step, jump stop step. The player now does not have a pivot foot. If he steps again, or pivots again, after doing this step, jump step stop, it's a travel. The only thing he can do is pass, shoot, or call timeout.

Also want to point out that if the player lying on his buttock, attempts to get up to a knee. Again, he has just switched pivot foots. He went from buttock to knee, illegal. However, in my unique situation, the kid sat the ball next to him on the floor, and got up on his knees, but he had one hand on the ball. If he didn't have that one hand on the ball, I would say legal.

That's it. I'm putting you on ignore. JR is gonna have to carry this weight for a while, until you get banned again. I can't handle any more of this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's not written anywhere because....well.....it's completely stoopid.

Your interpreter very obviously has about the same grasp of the rules as you do.

Lah me.......

Maybe the mysterious wise man?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Old School

To add to this, and I don't think it's written anywhere. I also was told this by an interpretor. Looking for a pivot as RIP pointed out is a key (not the only key). In the adsence of a pivot foot, you go to the knees. In the absense of knees and feet being off the floor, you go to the butt for a pivot. If the player is lying flat on his a$$, that is his/her pivot, similiar to a jump stop. Now, if he rolls left, picking up the right buttock, the left buttock becomes the pivot, he then rolls back over the way, picking up the left buttock, he just switched pivots foots. That could be one reason the Fed. says you can't roll over.

Using this arguement, it would seem that you could legally roll one way, but not the other. However, consider the step, jump stop step. The player now does not have a pivot foot. If he steps again, or pivots again, after doing this step, jump step stop, it's a travel. The only thing he can do is pass, shoot, or call timeout.

Also want to point out that if the player lying on his buttock, attempts to get up to a knee. Again, he has just switched pivot foots. He went from buttock to knee, illegal. However, in my unique situation, the kid sat the ball next to him on the floor, and got up on his knees, but he had one hand on the ball. If he didn't have that one hand on the ball, I would say legal.

There he is, that's the O/S I know...

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's not written anywhere because....well.....it's completely stoopid.

Is it? The foot is connected to the leg, the knee is connected to the leg, the buttock is connected to each leg. Can't have one without the other. Process of deduction.

If the feet are in the air but the body is on the floor, where is your point of reference?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

That's it. I'm putting you on ignore. JR is gonna have to carry this weight for a while, until you get banned again. I can't handle any more of this.

You can't handle what? The truth! If you want to ban me for speaking the truth and telling it like it is, go right ahead. Just know one thing, you have been on ignore since you have been here.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 0ld School

Like when a player has controll of the ball, he has what i consider a "butt" pivot, this "butt" pivot is important. It's in the book.

Well, that just about says it all.

Why don't you go and discuss Zen And The Dribble with just another ref in the other thread for a while? Maybe you can straighten out everybody in that one too with the knowledge you have accumulated during your long and distinguished career.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Old School

If the player is lying flat on his a$$, that is his/her pivot, similiar to a jump stop.

Maybe we need a case book play for what can be done after doing a jump stop on the butt ~ ocks?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

Who's Verne?

I believe that was Ernest P. Worrells buddy.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I believe that was Ernest P. Worrells buddy.

Dang it, you beat me to it. Right, Vern?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just know one thing, you have been on ignore since you have been here.

I really doubt that very many people have Rainmaker on their Ignore list...

And really - "butt pivot" is in the book??? Even when you start to come close to making a semi-valid point, you shoot your credibilty straight down the toilet by coming up with these outrageous things and claiming they are "in the book" or "that's the way it is called in D-I"...

And now I will finally go to my Ignore feature also.

[rainmaker]

Don't know how you got this past my ignore thing, but my brain still works. And I've read the book, and I KNOW it's not in there. Absolutely, in-f**ing-credible.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Don't know how you got this past my ignore thing, but my brain still works. And I've read the book, and I KNOW it's not in there. Absolutely, in-f**ing-credible.

Folks, I know Juulie personally (and no, I don't mean in the biblical sense). Her reference above is to the word "freaking".